RFC: Public Remailer Alternative

[Kulin]

Seeking comments, opinions, etc regarding using a botnet based
infrastructure as an alternative to the public remailer system.
Would you consider using such a system? Why or why not? If large
binary m2n postings were enabled would you be more interested?
What value would you place on such a system/service? If anon
payment options were offered would you consider paying for
such services? If free news posting were available thru a Tor
hidden service would you test a prototype system known to use
a botnet based infrastructure?

Any and all comment is welcome...

[Anonymous Remailer (austria)]

Post by Kulin
Seeking comments, opinions, etc regarding using a botnet based
infrastructure as an alternative to the public remailer system.
Would you consider using such a system? Why or why not? If large
binary m2n postings were enabled would you be more interested?
What value would you place on such a system/service? If anon
payment options were offered would you consider paying for
such services? If free news posting were available thru a Tor
hidden service would you test a prototype system known to use
a botnet based infrastructure?
Any and all comment is welcome...

What about some kind of tor hidden service that could be set up
to mix route messages to mixnym.net type systems? I am concerned
that if the financial systems of the world melt down from all the
socialist spending and prolific money creation, that most remailers
will go out of business, leaving people with nothing.

[Fritz Wuehler]

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
What about some kind of tor hidden service that could be set up
to mix route messages to mixnym.net type systems? I am concerned
that if the financial systems of the world melt down from all the
socialist spending and prolific money creation, that most remailers
will go out of business, leaving people with nothing.

Naturally, ISPs will continue to run in the extremely unlikely event
that the entire world's economy "melts down."

[Nomen Nescio]

Post by Fritz Wuehler

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
What about some kind of tor hidden service that could be set up
to mix route messages to mixnym.net type systems? I am concerned
that if the financial systems of the world melt down from all the
socialist spending and prolific money creation, that most remailers
will go out of business, leaving people with nothing.

Naturally, ISPs will continue to run in the extremely unlikely event
that the entire world's economy "melts down."

Possibly some, but remailers are not going to be able to afford
to maintain their isp service. ISPs have to pay electric bill too
which they will not only not have the means with which to pay, but
will also not have the clientele to remain in business. It will
not be a pretty site when monetary collapse comes. The only good
things will be that government bureaucracy will be rung out of
business, greedy, grubbing liberals will be shown to the door (they
will all be locked), and peole will have to learn to make their own
way in life rather than turning to government as their savior.

[Fritz Wuehler]

Post by Nomen Nescio

Post by Fritz Wuehler

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
What about some kind of tor hidden service that could be set up
to mix route messages to mixnym.net type systems? I am concerned
that if the financial systems of the world melt down from all the
socialist spending and prolific money creation, that most
remailers will go out of business, leaving people with nothing.

Naturally, ISPs will continue to run in the extremely unlikely event
that the entire world's economy "melts down."

Possibly some, but remailers are not going to be able to afford
to maintain their isp service. ISPs have to pay electric bill too
which they will not only not have the means with which to pay, but
will also not have the clientele to remain in business.

Which is why hidden services will be useless in such a scenario. In
reality, if some bizarre set of events caused the collapse of the
world's economic system, ISPs would be rendered a thing of the past
and we would go back to store-and-forward email, probably sent over
shortwave or VHF radio links. Remailers would work just fine in such
a situation -- Type I would certainly work, and Type II/III could be
retooled to use higher latency protocols.

Post by Nomen Nescio
It will not be a pretty site when monetary collapse comes.

Which is such a remote possibility that it is not even worth
considering. Now, a single nation's currency collapsing is possible,
but it would take about a month for the chaos to stop and a new
currency to take over. Then it would be life as usual, with the rich
continuing to get richer and the poor continuing to get poorer; the
only real change would be in who is rich and who is poor.

Post by Nomen Nescio
The only good
things will be that government bureaucracy will be rung out of
business, greedy, grubbing liberals

Oh, yes, blame the "liberals," because "liberals" have so much power
these days. It is not like corporations draft the laws of major
nations, that paramilitary police forces are the norm, or that
protests are met with pepper spray and truncheons. It is clearly the
liberals that are the problem; the right wing is trying to protect our
rights and liberties.

[Nomen Nescio]

Post by Fritz Wuehler

Post by Nomen Nescio

Post by Fritz Wuehler

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
What about some kind of tor hidden service that could be set up
to mix route messages to mixnym.net type systems? I am concerned
that if the financial systems of the world melt down from all the
socialist spending and prolific money creation, that most
remailers will go out of business, leaving people with nothing.

Naturally, ISPs will continue to run in the extremely unlikely event
that the entire world's economy "melts down."

Possibly some, but remailers are not going to be able to afford
to maintain their isp service. ISPs have to pay electric bill too
which they will not only not have the means with which to pay, but
will also not have the clientele to remain in business.

Which is why hidden services will be useless in such a scenario. In
reality, if some bizarre set of events caused the collapse of the
world's economic system, ISPs would be rendered a thing of the past
and we would go back to store-and-forward email, probably sent over
shortwave or VHF radio links. Remailers would work just fine in such
a situation -- Type I would certainly work, and Type II/III could be
retooled to use higher latency protocols.

Post by Nomen Nescio
It will not be a pretty site when monetary collapse comes.

Which is such a remote possibility that it is not even worth
considering.

If anyone can hear, you need to seek financial advice.
Continuing in socialist denial as this person has is going to cost
you dearly. This person has absolutely no economic or financial
sense.

Post by Fritz Wuehler
Now, a single nation's currency collapsing is possible,
but it would take about a month for the chaos to stop and a new
currency to take over. Then it would be life as usual, with the rich
continuing to get richer

'The rich continuing to get richer' is the liberal socialist mantra
demeaning good individual effort to get ahead. It is the pet
saying of people who have made government their god and their god
will fail them. I am rich and will become fabulous rich, unlike
this person who will definitely become destitute. So be it!

Post by Fritz Wuehler
and the poor continuing to get poorer; the
only real change would be in who is rich and who is poor.

Post by Nomen Nescio
The only good
things will be that government bureaucracy will be rung out of
business, greedy, grubbing liberals

Oh, yes, blame the "liberals," because "liberals" have so much power
these days. It is not like corporations draft the laws of major
nations, that paramilitary police forces are the norm, or that
protests are met with pepper spray and truncheons. It is clearly the
liberals that are the problem; the right wing is trying to protect our
rights and liberties.

'Mark thread automatically read' - I will not be wasting my time
reading his reply.

[Nomen Nescio]

Post by Nomen Nescio
'Mark thread automatically read' - I will not be wasting my time
reading his reply.

And please don't waste our time posting any more here because you have
three serious faults.

1. You are a boring fuck.
2. You have no consideration for what is OT.
3. You are too stupid to see your own shortcomings.

[Anonymous Remailer (austria)]

Post by Kulin
Seeking comments, opinions, etc regarding using a botnet based
infrastructure as an alternative to the public remailer system.
Would you consider using such a system? Why or why not? If large
binary m2n postings were enabled would you be more interested?
What value would you place on such a system/service? If anon
payment options were offered would you consider paying for
such services? If free news posting were available thru a Tor
hidden service would you test a prototype system known to use
a botnet based infrastructure?
Any and all comment is welcome...

I should think that using 'botnet' to describe such
a system is not good.

I am not an expert to any degree, but it would seem that
some kind of new type of remailer system using an I2P or
Tor hidden service type system could be developed fairly
easily. Possibly sending the message to a node that would
then forward the message to each and every other existing
node when a node couldn't decipher the message. Might call
it scrambled egg master. Each node could be pinged for
availabelity before sending, eliminating statistics. Just
some thoughts, but I personally think that something new
needs to be developed. Does not need to replace the
existing remailer system, just an additional system.

As far a paying, forget it. People will stick to the
existing remailers before they pay. The bitcon system is
not that easy to set up.

[Anonymous Remailer (austria)]

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
I should think that using 'botnet' to describe such
a system is not good.

botnet = bad
'public remailer alternative' most better

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
I am not an expert to any degree, but it would seem that
some kind of new type of remailer system using an I2P or
Tor hidden service type system could be developed fairly
easily.

easy I2P or Tor hidden service 'type system' very good. where be
code?

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Possibly sending the message to a node that would
then forward the message to each and every other existing
node when a node couldn't decipher the message. Might call
it scrambled egg master.

'scrambled egg' mixmaster/mixminion? what think experts? usura,
clever-ocelot,
stealthmonger, christians => richard, danner, male chicken

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Each node could be pinged for availabelity before sending,
eliminating statistics.

availabelity easy with 'public remailer alternative' /botnet/ as
very many 'node'?
statistics dangerous => public trails How know what ping? like eliminating statistics

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Just some thoughts, but I personally think that something new
needs to be developed. Does not need to replace the
existing remailer system, just an additional system.

Like thoughts! Need code. No replace, just an additional system!
what think experts?

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
As far a paying, forget it. People will stick to the
existing remailers before they pay. The bitcon system is
not that easy to set up.

bitcon is con us 501 c4 better :) many better way
forget paying best! free will test. need new anon-servers

[Nomen Nescio]

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
I should think that using 'botnet' to describe such
a system is not good.

botnet = bad
'public remailer alternative' most better

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
I am not an expert to any degree, but it would seem that
some kind of new type of remailer system using an I2P or
Tor hidden service type system could be developed fairly
easily.

easy I2P or Tor hidden service 'type system' very good. where be
code?

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Possibly sending the message to a node that would
then forward the message to each and every other existing
node when a node couldn't decipher the message. Might call
it scrambled egg master.

'scrambled egg' mixmaster/mixminion? what think experts? usura,
clever-ocelot,
stealthmonger, christians => richard, danner, male chicken

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Each node could be pinged for availabelity before sending,
eliminating statistics.

availabelity easy with 'public remailer alternative' /botnet/ as
very many 'node'?
statistics dangerous => public trails How know what ping? like eliminating statistics

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Just some thoughts, but I personally think that something new
needs to be developed. Does not need to replace the
existing remailer system, just an additional system.

Like thoughts! Need code. No replace, just an additional system!
what think experts?

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)
As far a paying, forget it. People will stick to the
existing remailers before they pay. The bitcon system is
not that easy to set up.

bitcon is con us 501 c4 better many better way
forget paying best! free will test. need new anon-servers

I would love to help in coding this, but I don't know exactly
what to do or the pitfalls. It would be best written in Python or
some other script language so that it could be easily run on any
system. Python is not something I am that familiar with.

I also don't know if I want to take the beating I have seen
metered out to programmers in this group. I have had a life of
such beatings from nasty employers and family, all to their loss in
the end.