Discussion:
Did Almost All Remailers Die Because Usenet Has Died? Or -
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Anonymous
2024-08-13 14:15:52 UTC
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Or is somthing else afoot?

(Thanks erie for the new one!)
SEC3
2024-08-13 14:40:42 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Or is somthing else afoot?
(Thanks erie for the new one!)
The Mixmaster code is no longer maintained. Since about 2020(?) So
firing up a new Mixmaster remailer isn't a simple matter anymore. That's
why when a Paranoia or a Dizum remailer goes away it's not likely to be
replaced with a new Mixmaster remailer. The code fail to compile with
newer versions of OpenSSL or newer operating systems. Time marches on.

YAMN network is much stronger now partly because its code is still
actively maintained. That's your best bet. Omnimix and YAMN.

Keep your eye on Nym Mixnet as well. <https://nymtech.net/about/mixnet>
Although it doesn't yet offer an email client it DOES have a network of
over 700 nodes!
--
SEC3

YAMN Help Tutorial - https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/
Stefan Claas
2024-08-13 15:45:12 UTC
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Post by SEC3
Post by Anonymous
Or is somthing else afoot?
(Thanks erie for the new one!)
The Mixmaster code is no longer maintained. Since about 2020(?) So
firing up a new Mixmaster remailer isn't a simple matter anymore. That's
why when a Paranoia or a Dizum remailer goes away it's not likely to be
replaced with a new Mixmaster remailer. The code fail to compile with
newer versions of OpenSSL or newer operating systems. Time marches on.
YAMN network is much stronger now partly because its code is still
actively maintained. That's your best bet. Omnimix and YAMN.
Keep your eye on Nym Mixnet as well. <https://nymtech.net/about/mixnet>
Although it doesn't yet offer an email client it DOES have a network of
over 700 nodes!
Forget the Nym Mixnet! A while ago I was asking on one of their Telegram
channels if there are any free options planned for sending anon email or
anon Usenet postings, like we can do with YAMN and Mixmaster, and I was
banned then from this channel. The Nym Mixnet is only for Crypto currency
kids, just playing with their nodes. Long ago people raised also concerns
if Claudia could manage the Nym Development. EU funding should be IMHO
stopped for a company based in Switzerland run by a US CEO.
--
Regards
Stefan
Stefan Claas
2024-08-13 15:52:35 UTC
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Post by Stefan Claas
Post by SEC3
Post by Anonymous
Or is somthing else afoot?
(Thanks erie for the new one!)
The Mixmaster code is no longer maintained. Since about 2020(?) So
firing up a new Mixmaster remailer isn't a simple matter anymore. That's
why when a Paranoia or a Dizum remailer goes away it's not likely to be
replaced with a new Mixmaster remailer. The code fail to compile with
newer versions of OpenSSL or newer operating systems. Time marches on.
YAMN network is much stronger now partly because its code is still
actively maintained. That's your best bet. Omnimix and YAMN.
Keep your eye on Nym Mixnet as well. <https://nymtech.net/about/mixnet>
Although it doesn't yet offer an email client it DOES have a network of
over 700 nodes!
Forget the Nym Mixnet! A while ago I was asking on one of their Telegram
channels if there are any free options planned for sending anon email or
anon Usenet postings, like we can do with YAMN and Mixmaster, and I was
banned then from this channel. The Nym Mixnet is only for Crypto currency
kids, just playing with their nodes. Long ago people raised also concerns
if Claudia could manage the Nym Development. EU funding should be IMHO
stopped for a company based in Switzerland run by a US CEO.
P.S. We should better keep an eye on Katzenpost, which IIRC Zax mentioned
long ago here on a.p.a-s!

https://github.com/katzenpost/katzenpost
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Regards
Stefan
Anonymous
2024-08-13 19:28:36 UTC
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Post by Stefan Claas
P.S. We should better keep an eye on Katzenpost, which IIRC Zax mentioned
long ago here on a.p.a-s!
https://github.com/katzenpost/katzenpost
Stefan, thanks for the props on Katzenpost.

This is an amazing Mix design!

Hopefully it will see the light of day soon.
Stefan Claas
2024-08-13 20:14:55 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Stefan Claas
P.S. We should better keep an eye on Katzenpost, which IIRC Zax mentioned
long ago here on a.p.a-s!
https://github.com/katzenpost/katzenpost
Stefan, thanks for the props on Katzenpost.
This is an amazing Mix design!
Hopefully it will see the light of day soon.
You're welcome! I eagerly await the release of the new
client, to test it out and like to see what we can do
with it.
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Regards
Stefan
Anonymous
2024-08-13 23:40:44 UTC
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Post by Stefan Claas
Post by Anonymous
Post by Stefan Claas
P.S. We should better keep an eye on Katzenpost, which IIRC Zax mentioned
long ago here on a.p.a-s!
https://github.com/katzenpost/katzenpost
Stefan, thanks for the props on Katzenpost.
This is an amazing Mix design!
Hopefully it will see the light of day soon.
You're welcome! I eagerly await the release of the new
client, to test it out and like to see what we can do
with it.
Stefan, if you hear any news on the project please post it.

Thanks.
Stefan Claas
2024-08-14 13:22:06 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Stefan Claas
Post by Anonymous
Post by Stefan Claas
P.S. We should better keep an eye on Katzenpost, which IIRC Zax mentioned
long ago here on a.p.a-s!
https://github.com/katzenpost/katzenpost
Stefan, thanks for the props on Katzenpost.
This is an amazing Mix design!
Hopefully it will see the light of day soon.
You're welcome! I eagerly await the release of the new
client, to test it out and like to see what we can do
with it.
Stefan, if you hear any news on the project please post it.
Thanks.
Will do.
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Regards
Stefan
Fritz Wuehler
2024-08-14 15:56:06 UTC
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I gave up on katzenpost a long time ago. It has been years in
development. As slow as Bitmessage.
Stefan Claas
2024-08-13 16:06:52 UTC
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Post by SEC3
Post by Anonymous
Or is somthing else afoot?
(Thanks erie for the new one!)
The Mixmaster code is no longer maintained. Since about 2020(?) So
firing up a new Mixmaster remailer isn't a simple matter anymore. That's
why when a Paranoia or a Dizum remailer goes away it's not likely to be
replaced with a new Mixmaster remailer. The code fail to compile with
newer versions of OpenSSL or newer operating systems. Time marches on.
I encourage people to try out my compiled Mixmaster 3.1 binaries for
Debian, to see if it runs on the latest Debian OS. I can't do it myself
because I have no VPS servers running.

This is an original Mixmaster installation and not like some other ones
which uses other installtion locations (as root user).

https://github.com/stefanclaas/Mixmaster_3.1_Debian-Whonix
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Regards
Stefan
SEC3
2024-08-13 16:24:39 UTC
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Post by Stefan Claas
Post by SEC3
Post by Anonymous
Or is somthing else afoot?
(Thanks erie for the new one!)
The Mixmaster code is no longer maintained. Since about 2020(?) So
firing up a new Mixmaster remailer isn't a simple matter anymore. That's
why when a Paranoia or a Dizum remailer goes away it's not likely to be
replaced with a new Mixmaster remailer. The code fail to compile with
newer versions of OpenSSL or newer operating systems. Time marches on.
I encourage people to try out my compiled Mixmaster 3.1 binaries for
Debian, to see if it runs on the latest Debian OS. I can't do it myself
because I have no VPS servers running.
This is an original Mixmaster installation and not like some other ones
which uses other installtion locations (as root user).
https://github.com/stefanclaas/Mixmaster_3.1_Debian-Whonix
Thank you Stefan. I will definitely test this version on Debian 11
"Bullseye" and report back.
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SEC3

YAMN Help Tutorial - https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/
Stefan Claas
2024-08-13 16:33:53 UTC
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Post by SEC3
Post by Stefan Claas
Post by SEC3
Post by Anonymous
Or is somthing else afoot?
(Thanks erie for the new one!)
The Mixmaster code is no longer maintained. Since about 2020(?) So
firing up a new Mixmaster remailer isn't a simple matter anymore. That's
why when a Paranoia or a Dizum remailer goes away it's not likely to be
replaced with a new Mixmaster remailer. The code fail to compile with
newer versions of OpenSSL or newer operating systems. Time marches on.
I encourage people to try out my compiled Mixmaster 3.1 binaries for
Debian, to see if it runs on the latest Debian OS. I can't do it myself
because I have no VPS servers running.
This is an original Mixmaster installation and not like some other ones
which uses other installtion locations (as root user).
https://github.com/stefanclaas/Mixmaster_3.1_Debian-Whonix
Thank you Stefan. I will definitely test this version on Debian 11
"Bullseye" and report back.
That's great SEC3 and thanks for testing it out.
--
Regards
Stefan
SEC3
2024-08-14 13:22:51 UTC
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Post by Stefan Claas
Post by SEC3
Post by Stefan Claas
This is an original Mixmaster installation and not like some other ones
which uses other installtion locations (as root user).
https://github.com/stefanclaas/Mixmaster_3.1_Debian-Whonix
Thank you Stefan. I will definitely test this version on Debian 11
"Bullseye" and report back.
That's great SEC3 and thanks for testing it out.
I installed your Mixmaster_3.1_Debian-Whonix package on a VPS with
Debian 11 OS.

The mixmaster binary worked fine in client mode.

But when I tried to run it as a remailer server things fell apart. See
pastebin below:

<https://pastebin.com/raw/vwxBmKz3>

All the same, I am happy to have this package that you put together. It
will be useful to have access to these older library files like
libcrypto.so.1.0.0, libncurses.so.5, libpcre.so.3, etc.. which are
difficult to find these days.
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SEC3

YAMN Help Tutorial - https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/
Stefan Claas
2024-08-14 14:51:20 UTC
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Post by SEC3
Post by Stefan Claas
Post by SEC3
Post by Stefan Claas
This is an original Mixmaster installation and not like some other ones
which uses other installtion locations (as root user).
https://github.com/stefanclaas/Mixmaster_3.1_Debian-Whonix
Thank you Stefan. I will definitely test this version on Debian 11
"Bullseye" and report back.
That's great SEC3 and thanks for testing it out.
I installed your Mixmaster_3.1_Debian-Whonix package on a VPS with
Debian 11 OS.
The mixmaster binary worked fine in client mode.
But when I tried to run it as a remailer server things fell apart. See
<https://pastebin.com/raw/vwxBmKz3>
That is strange. :-( Even if you used 'export MIXPATH=~/Mix', so that
the binary should know where to find and create files? With the MIXPATH
set and running the binary from $HOME with ./mixmaster ... does this then
also not work for a Remailer?

I just tested it, under WSL and created keys and run mixmaster -M -D and
it did not error out.
Post by SEC3
All the same, I am happy to have this package that you put together. It
will be useful to have access to these older library files like
libcrypto.so.1.0.0, libncurses.so.5, libpcre.so.3, etc.. which are
difficult to find these days.
Glad that they are useful for you.
--
Regards
Stefan
SEC3
2024-08-14 15:10:22 UTC
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Post by Stefan Claas
Post by SEC3
But when I tried to run it as a remailer server things fell apart. See
<https://pastebin.com/raw/vwxBmKz3>
That is strange. :-( Even if you used 'export MIXPATH=~/Mix', so that
the binary should know where to find and create files? With the MIXPATH
set and running the binary from $HOME with ./mixmaster ... does this then
also not work for a Remailer?
I just tested it, under WSL and created keys and run mixmaster -M -D and
it did not error out.
Interesting. I will continue to test it. The problem I am having might
be that I created a systemd service to run it in daemon mode. This was
not in your instructions in README. I will keep trying.
Post by Stefan Claas
Post by SEC3
All the same, I am happy to have this package that you put together. It
will be useful to have access to these older library files like
libcrypto.so.1.0.0, libncurses.so.5, libpcre.so.3, etc.. which are
difficult to find these days.
Glad that they are useful for you.
--
SEC3

YAMN Help Tutorial - https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/
Stefan Claas
2024-08-14 15:36:47 UTC
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Post by SEC3
Post by Stefan Claas
Post by SEC3
But when I tried to run it as a remailer server things fell apart. See
<https://pastebin.com/raw/vwxBmKz3>
That is strange. :-( Even if you used 'export MIXPATH=~/Mix', so that
the binary should know where to find and create files? With the MIXPATH
set and running the binary from $HOME with ./mixmaster ... does this then
also not work for a Remailer?
I just tested it, under WSL and created keys and run mixmaster -M -D and
it did not error out.
Interesting. I will continue to test it. The problem I am having might
be that I created a systemd service to run it in daemon mode. This was
not in your instructions in README. I will keep trying.
Ah, ok.
--
Regards
Stefan
D
2024-08-13 20:08:56 UTC
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Post by SEC3
Post by Anonymous
Or is somthing else afoot?
The Mixmaster code is no longer maintained. Since about 2020(?) So
firing up a new Mixmaster remailer isn't a simple matter anymore. That's
why when a Paranoia or a Dizum remailer goes away it's not likely to be
replaced with a new Mixmaster remailer. The code fail to compile with
newer versions of OpenSSL or newer operating systems. Time marches on.
YAMN network is much stronger now partly because its code is still
actively maintained. That's your best bet. Omnimix and YAMN.
Keep your eye on Nym Mixnet as well. <https://nymtech.net/about/mixnet>
Although it doesn't yet offer an email client it DOES have a network of
over 700 nodes!
awesome logo! (https://nymtech.net/api/media/mixnet.svg)

(cf. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22square+crop+circle%22)
Worst Case
2024-08-14 21:14:10 UTC
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Post by SEC3
YAMN Help Tutorial - https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/
I found this link on Google:

+ https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/addendum/tor-and-yamn-linux.html

.. in response to a search for '"yamn" linux'. Unfortunately, I
can't get content from this link through TOR. Instead I get nothing.
This problem is not unique to your site. Apparently many sites use
Web-hosting providers (WHPs) that depend on content-delivery networks
(CDNs) such as Cloudflare, which in turn discriminate against TOR exit
nodes by returning 404s, captchas, or no response to requests for
info.
--
Moreover I'm convinced that Reddit must be destroyed.

Worst Case
l***@vlvite.com
2024-08-14 21:25:37 UTC
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:14:10 +0200, "Worst Case"
Post by Worst Case
Post by SEC3
YAMN Help Tutorial - https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/
+ https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/addendum/tor-and-yamn-linux.html
.. in response to a search for '"yamn" linux'. Unfortunately, I
can't get content from this link through TOR. Instead I get nothing.
This problem is not unique to your site. Apparently many sites use
Web-hosting providers (WHPs) that depend on content-delivery networks
(CDNs) such as Cloudflare, which in turn discriminate against TOR exit
nodes by returning 404s, captchas, or no response to requests for
info.
Tor doesn't get into sites which demand you javascript be working.

For a safe site like Sec3's, why not simply use another browser? It
isn't like Sec3's site is a threat.
Yamn Remailer
2024-08-15 12:14:45 UTC
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Post by l***@vlvite.com
Tor doesn't get into sites which demand you javascript be working.
Wrong.
Post by l***@vlvite.com
For a safe site like Sec3's, why not simply use another browser? It
isn't like Sec3's site is a threat.
There are site operators who don't want to serve Tor users.
Why not just comply with their rules and walk on by?
D
2024-08-14 21:59:33 UTC
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Post by Worst Case
Post by SEC3
YAMN Help Tutorial - https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/
+ https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/addendum/tor-and-yamn-linux.html
.. in response to a search for '"yamn" linux'. Unfortunately, I
can't get content from this link through TOR. Instead I get nothing.
This problem is not unique to your site. Apparently many sites use
Web-hosting providers (WHPs) that depend on content-delivery networks
(CDNs) such as Cloudflare, which in turn discriminate against TOR exit
nodes by returning 404s, captchas, or no response to requests for
info.
always seems "hit or miss" using tor browser to connect with "sec3.net",
sometimes it works without bridges, and other times it just won't load;
recommend starting with "sec3.net", and if that loads follow the links:

(using Tor Browser 13.5.2 w/ webtunnel bridge)
https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/addendum/tor-and-yamn-linux.html
Post by Worst Case
YAMN HELP
Use YAMN with Tor (Debian/Ubuntu)
For Linux users there currently is only a command line version of YAMN
remailer. If you haven't already done so install YAMN on Linux by
following this tutorial, and after you are done return here to learn
how to use YAMN with Tor under Linux.
You will need to install 3 additional programs: Tor, Socat and Curl.
Tor will now be running in the background on your computer! There
is no need to "start it" or "turn it on".
Exit root user and log in as user yamn.
Now we are logged in as user yamn. Yes, Tor is still running in the
background ;) We will now replace your current Yamn configuration
file with a configuration that works with Tor.
https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/addendum/yamn.yml.tor
Now we want to start Socat. Socat is a relay tool. Like Tor you
won't see it running. But it will be running in the background.
After we start it up it will sit between your Yamn client and your
local Tor and will allow for relaying of your message(s) to the
remote Tor hidden service we have chosen, i.e.
b42o7yhesx3fon7bzak4rkq7ax2yoanzapykqpzyznil6obcybe3zlyd.onion.
587,socksport=9050
(That very long command should be on one line.)
Now that we have both Tor and socat running in the background we
can compose a message and send it through Yamn & Tor. But first we
need to download some fresh YAMN stats and keys. We use Curl for
https://www.mixmin.net/yamn/mlist2.txt -O
https://www.mixmin.net/yamn/pubring.mix
Be patient here. Doing things through Tor is always slower.
Now we are ready to compose our message in a file message.txt and
send it out. Here is a sample message.txt for you to use:.
https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/addendum/message.txt
Once your outgoing message.txt is composed, save it and exit your
This will create an encrypted YAMN message chained through three
random remailers and place it into ~/yamn/pool
It should be sent out through the Tor network. You can tell that
dial tcp 127.0.0.1:5870: connect: connection refused
If you are finished with YAMN you may now shut down the Socat
localhost,fork SOCKS4A [...]
Done!
back Home Back Home
SEC3.NET copyleft | 2024
Powered by the Gridism template created by Coby Chapple.
[end quoted plain text]
Yamn Remailer
2024-08-13 16:28:50 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Or is somthing else afoot?
(Thanks erie for the new one!)
The Mixmaster code is no longer maintained. Since about 2020(?) So
firing up a new Mixmaster remailer isn't a simple matter anymore. That's
why when a Paranoia or a Dizum remailer goes away it's not likely to be
replaced with a new Mixmaster remailer. The code fail to compile with
newer versions of OpenSSL or newer operating systems. Time marches on.
YAMN network is much stronger now partly because its code is still
actively maintained. That's your best bet. Omnimix and YAMN.
Keep your eye on Nym Mixnet as well. <https://nymtech.net/about/mixnet>
Although it doesn't yet offer an email client it DOES have a network of
over 700 nodes!
I am trying this with YAMN

Thanks.
Worst Case
2024-08-15 14:33:55 UTC
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Post by SEC3
YAMN Help Tutorial - https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/
Ne-ver Mi-nd! A retry succeeded about a quarter of an hour later.
Shoot! I never know when to give up. I guess my TOR path rotated to
a different exit maybe. I think sometimes a path is good for some
links and not for others, but, whether traffic is blocked outboard of
the exit or inboard or somewhere else along the way is indeterminate.
--
Moreover I'm convinced that Reddit must be destroyed.

Worst Case
D
2024-08-15 15:55:52 UTC
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Post by Worst Case
Post by SEC3
YAMN Help Tutorial - https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/
Ne-ver Mi-nd! A retry succeeded about a quarter of an hour later.
Shoot! I never know when to give up. I guess my TOR path rotated to
a different exit maybe. I think sometimes a path is good for some
links and not for others, but, whether traffic is blocked outboard of
the exit or inboard or somewhere else along the way is indeterminate.
"weakest link" or something like that...tor browser and omnimix'
tor do seem to work most of the time with tor-friendly websites;

i am curious about "reddit must be destroyed"... any particular
reason? reddit content is moderated by moderators just like any
other "social media" so mainstream-style censorship is required:

(using Tor Browser 13.5.2)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit
Post by Worst Case
...
Users and moderators
Registering an account with Reddit is free and requires an email address.
In addition to commenting and voting, registered users can also create
their own subreddit on a topic of their choosing.[99]
...
Subreddits are overseen by moderators, Reddit users who earn the title by
creating a subreddit or being promoted by a current moderator.[91] Reddit
users may also request to moderate a sub that has no moderators or very
inactive ones in r/redditrequest. These requests are reviewed by the
Reddit admins. Moderators are volunteers who manage their communities, set
and enforce community-specific rules, remove posts and comments that
violate these rules, and generally work to keep discussions in their
subreddit on topic.[91][20][102] Admins, by contrast, are paid to work
for Reddit.[20]
Reddit also releases transparency reports annually which have information
like how many posts have been taken down by moderators and for what reason.
It also details information about requests law enforcement agencies have
made for information about users or to take down content.[103] In 2020,
Reddit removed 6% of posts made on their platform (approx. 233 million).
More than 99% of removals were marked as spam; the remainder made up of a
mix of other offensive content. Around 131 million posts were removed by
the automated moderator and the rest were taken down manually.[104][105]
[end quoted excerpts]

generally uncensored plain text communications made public en masse
by means of unmoderated usenet nntp newsgroups (i.e. not blocked or
cancelled on most nntp servers) is how discussions about "forbidden"
topics (outside of the mainstream-big brother status quo) can occur
and be propagated around the usenet world; i have only rarely found
reddit helpful to my own research, but others might find it useful?
SEC3
2024-08-15 16:16:58 UTC
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Post by D
Post by Worst Case
Ne-ver Mi-nd! A retry succeeded about a quarter of an hour later.
Shoot! I never know when to give up. I guess my TOR path rotated to
a different exit maybe. I think sometimes a path is good for some
links and not for others, but, whether traffic is blocked outboard of
the exit or inboard or somewhere else along the way is indeterminate.
"weakest link" or something like that...tor browser and omnimix'
tor do seem to work most of the time with tor-friendly websites;
I've had occasional complaints here about my webpages at sec3.net being
inaccessible via Tor. But never any suggestions about what I might do
about it. What is a "Tor-friendly website"? How does one create such a
thing if it exists? I await any helpful suggestions.
--
SEC3

YAMN Help Tutorial - https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/
D
2024-08-15 17:35:54 UTC
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Post by SEC3
Post by D
"weakest link" or something like that...tor browser and omnimix'
tor do seem to work most of the time with tor-friendly websites;
I've had occasional complaints here about my webpages at sec3.net being
inaccessible via Tor. But never any suggestions about what I might do
about it. What is a "Tor-friendly website"? How does one create such a
thing if it exists? I await any helpful suggestions.
above my pay-grade . . . seems like some websites can be unpredictably
stubborn about loading in the tor browser, sometimes they do and other
times they don't; or restarting tor, new circuit, webtunnel bridge, or
simply waiting for a day or two and trying again using default setting;
so "tor-friendly" is intended to refer to websites that always seem to
work with tor browser 100% of the time e.g. wikipedia, duckduckgo, etc.
l***@vlvite.com
2024-08-15 17:43:00 UTC
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Post by SEC3
Post by D
Post by Worst Case
Ne-ver Mi-nd! A retry succeeded about a quarter of an hour later.
Shoot! I never know when to give up. I guess my TOR path rotated to
a different exit maybe. I think sometimes a path is good for some
links and not for others, but, whether traffic is blocked outboard of
the exit or inboard or somewhere else along the way is indeterminate.
"weakest link" or something like that...tor browser and omnimix'
tor do seem to work most of the time with tor-friendly websites;
I've had occasional complaints here about my webpages at sec3.net being
inaccessible via Tor. But never any suggestions about what I might do
about it. What is a "Tor-friendly website"? How does one create such a
thing if it exists? I await any helpful suggestions.
A "helpful suggestion" from the 'D' troll?

I guess you were just amusing yourself for a moment.
unknown
2024-08-16 13:08:18 UTC
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Post by SEC3
I've had occasional complaints here about my webpages at sec3.net
being inaccessible via Tor. But never any suggestions about what I
might do about it. What is a "Tor-friendly website"? How does one
create such a thing if it exists? I await any helpful suggestions.
I doubt that there is anything about any particular Website that is
either TOR-friendly or TOR-hostile. I do harbor dark suspicions that
content-delivery networks (CDNs) are out to torpedo TOR.

Unless you're operating your own Webserver, you're renting Webhosting
services from a provider (WHP). In this case you're not a customer of
any content-delivery provider, but your Webhost (probably) is. At
least that's my construction of how the InterWebs work. It's like
pipes, and content-delivery services maintain the pressure. (You would
know a lot more about this than I.)

... so what happens is that, at the end of a TOR path, my request
winds up at a TOR exit. That exit presents my request at the IP of
the page I expect to read, but it is picked up by the IP holder's CDN
for various nefarious load-shaping purposes. It is the CDN that
torpedos my request — probably because they think most of their
revenue comes from WHPs who are into tracking and advertising and they
think that TOR is the devil because it facilitates anonymous browsing,
tracking evasion, and ad blocking — which I am told it does and which
I believe it does.

There's no solution for this that I can see right now. The WHP's
customers are not the CDN's customers and have no standing with the
CDN. Probably various world governments, governmental bodies, and
regulatory agencies are going to have to throw these CDNs to the
ground and sit on them until they agree that the Internet is not about
ad revenue but about serving all comers.
--
Moreover I'm convinced that Reddit must be destroyed.

Worst Case
SEC3
2024-08-16 14:27:33 UTC
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Post by unknown
Post by SEC3
I've had occasional complaints here about my webpages at sec3.net
being inaccessible via Tor. But never any suggestions about what I
might do about it. What is a "Tor-friendly website"? How does one
create such a thing if it exists? I await any helpful suggestions.
I doubt that there is anything about any particular Website that is
either TOR-friendly or TOR-hostile. I do harbor dark suspicions that
content-delivery networks (CDNs) are out to torpedo TOR.
Unless you're operating your own Webserver, you're renting Webhosting
services from a provider (WHP). In this case you're not a customer of
any content-delivery provider, but your Webhost (probably) is. At
least that's my construction of how the InterWebs work. It's like
pipes, and content-delivery services maintain the pressure. (You would
know a lot more about this than I.)
... so what happens is that, at the end of a TOR path, my request
winds up at a TOR exit. That exit presents my request at the IP of
the page I expect to read, but it is picked up by the IP holder's CDN
for various nefarious load-shaping purposes. It is the CDN that
torpedos my request — probably because they think most of their
revenue comes from WHPs who are into tracking and advertising and they
think that TOR is the devil because it facilitates anonymous browsing,
tracking evasion, and ad blocking — which I am told it does and which
I believe it does.
There's no solution for this that I can see right now. The WHP's
customers are not the CDN's customers and have no standing with the
CDN. Probably various world governments, governmental bodies, and
regulatory agencies are going to have to throw these CDNs to the
ground and sit on them until they agree that the Internet is not about
ad revenue but about serving all comers.
Thanks for your response. It has helped me to understand the situation
with Tor and sec3.net issues. Sec3.net is run from an Nginx server on a
VPS slice that I alone administer. I do not use Cloudflare name servers.
There are no CDNs involved. Nor am I using any javascript or exotic html
code. The HTML is very simple. Maybe too simple!

The only thing I can think that may be causing Tor browsers to hiccup is
a page redirect I have set up:

sec3.net/index.html ==> sec3.net/misc/index.html

Maybe those who are having Tor access issues could try starting their
browsing from <https://sec3.net/misc/index.html> and see if that solves
the problem.
--
SEC3

YAMN Help Tutorial - https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/
Worst Case
2024-08-16 12:49:01 UTC
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Post by D
i am curious about "reddit must be destroyed"... any particular
reason? reddit content is moderated by moderators just like any
1. Reddit's karma scheme promotes mee-too content.

You get karma by posting innocuous drivel that everyone can (and does)
up-vote.

You need karma to have your meaningful posts (the content that you
painstakingly author and care deeply about) seen, the content that
anyone can (and does) down-vote.

Thus, most of the content that can be seen is innocuous drivel. This
is by design. It looks like traffic, provides an ad-delivery
framework, and is unlikely to offend politicians, the politically
connected and the politically inclined.

This is a big change from early days. Reddit is no longer a useful
forum to read from or post to about politically controversial topics.

2. Reddit won't tell you why (or if) your posts are being banned.

This is shadow-banning. You can post to your heart's content. No one
will see anything you post. Neat, huh?

If you have karma, you are endowed with a certain amount of grace
(leverage) you can use to argue against being banned by moderators of
various subreddits — human and robot. Without appreciable karma, you
are a non person. You can beg, but nobody — human or robot — will
respond to you. Suggestions about what to do about this abound, of
course, but they are all generally irrelevant because policies vary
among subreddits.

Likewise, in the absence of karma, you cannot speak with a Reddit
administrator (paid employee or robot). I won't say it's impossible
to appeal a shadow-ban. I've done it successfully — once, but
shadow-bans are likely to be reinstated without any transparency
whatever by human administrators and robots. Suggestions about what
to do about this abound, too, but they are all out of date because
policy is evanescent and obscure.

If you really want to know, I believe in my case I was banned for
self-promotion from not just one but a couple of accounts in perhaps a
couple of subreddits, so that is why I say:
--
Moreover I'm convinced that Reddit must be destroyed.

Worst Case
D
2024-08-16 14:36:41 UTC
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Post by Worst Case
Post by D
i am curious about "reddit must be destroyed"... any particular
reason? reddit content is moderated by moderators just like any
1. Reddit's karma scheme promotes mee-too content.
You get karma by posting innocuous drivel that everyone can (and does)
up-vote.
You need karma to have your meaningful posts (the content that you
painstakingly author and care deeply about) seen, the content that
anyone can (and does) down-vote.
Thus, most of the content that can be seen is innocuous drivel. This
is by design. It looks like traffic, provides an ad-delivery
framework, and is unlikely to offend politicians, the politically
connected and the politically inclined.
This is a big change from early days. Reddit is no longer a useful
forum to read from or post to about politically controversial topics.
2. Reddit won't tell you why (or if) your posts are being banned.
This is shadow-banning. You can post to your heart's content. No one
will see anything you post. Neat, huh?
If you have karma, you are endowed with a certain amount of grace
(leverage) you can use to argue against being banned by moderators of
various subreddits - human and robot. Without appreciable karma, you
are a non person. You can beg, but nobody - human or robot - will
respond to you. Suggestions about what to do about this abound, of
course, but they are all generally irrelevant because policies vary
among subreddits.
Likewise, in the absence of karma, you cannot speak with a Reddit
administrator (paid employee or robot). I won't say it's impossible
to appeal a shadow-ban. I've done it successfully - once, but
shadow-bans are likely to be reinstated without any transparency
whatever by human administrators and robots. Suggestions about what
to do about this abound, too, but they are all out of date because
policy is evanescent and obscure.
If you really want to know, I believe in my case I was banned for
self-promotion from not just one but a couple of accounts in perhaps a
Moreover I'm convinced that Reddit must be destroyed.
Worst Case
yet another case in point that unmoderated newsgroups are the only
public forum for plain text free speech to reach a global audience;
social media is moderated no matter what they call it, but "karma"?
politics and religion are veritable black holes of malefaction, so
if there really is karma in the sense of gehennam (stagnum ingitus,
"lake of fire" etc.) then nothing has changed; angels returning to
the earth are born tethered in chains prisoners of gravity in time
same as it ever was (east of eden) . . . would discussions such as
this be tolerated in their vast roman empire of "bile entendement"?
social media is censorship-central, "vanitas vanitatum"; they make
aliens of the dead ... and since we're discussing reddit and karma,
spelled with two t's, redditt's main street was called highway 666:

(using Tor Browser 13.5.2)
http://www.ruralroutes.com/6528.html
Post by Worst Case
Pop. 157. In Redditt T., Kenora Dist. on the CNR and Hwy 658, 30 km.
NE of Kenora.
The place was named in 1912 after the T., which had been named five
years earlier for Rev. John J. Redditt, president of the Toronto
Methodist Conference.
In 1913 the railroad changed the name of its station to Macfarlane,
but restored the name Redditt in 1925.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redditt
Post by Worst Case
Until 1985, the main street of Redditt was called Highway 666. In 1985,
an Evangelical Christian church located on the road nearer to Kenora
asked for the highway to be renumbered, as there was a highway sign
directly outside the church and they 'got a lot of comments' from it
being the number of the mark of the beast.
Subsequently, the main street of Redditt and the road into town were
renumbered to Highway 658.[6] Members of the church had argued to the
Ministry of Transportation of Ontario that it was inappropriate for
their church to be located on the "Highway to Hell."
https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/gu1ru5/in_far_west_ontario/
Post by Worst Case
I took a train from there one time. It was at night, there was one
streetlight. The cab driver who drove me there said he'd wait with
me until the train came. ( About 1hr) I was so thankful.... Bears
are very common.
Black bears can be easily chased away with a shovel , of course if
take the opposite aproch of running they may decide you are food...
Did you get to meet the CEO of Reddit?
http://www.thekingshighway.ca/Highway666.htm
Post by Worst Case
Secondary Highway 666 was a minor collector highway in the District of
Kenora, which existed during the 1970s and early 1980s. The highway once
connected the small community of Redditt to Highway 17 in Kenora. The
highway itself was first established in 1956, when the Redditt Road was
designated as Highway 128. In November 1973, the Ministry of
Transportation and Communications (MTC) decided to re-designate three
minor King's Highways in Northwestern Ontario as Secondary Highways by
the end of 1974. The three affected highways were Highway 116 near Sioux
Lookout, Highway 119 near Dryden and Highway 128 near Kenora. The common
practice at the time was to number Secondary Highways in consecutive
order, and the MTC simply picked the next three route numbers that were
available for assignment. Those three numbers were Highway 664 (assigned
to former King's Highway 116), Highway 665 (assigned to former King's
Highway 119) and Highway 666 (assigned to former King's Highway 128).
Highway 128 was formally re-designated as a Secondary Highway by an
Order-in-Council, effective August 7, 1974. Route markers along King's
Highway 128 were subsequently changed over to Secondary Highway 666
route markers. At the time, little thought had been given to the
significance of the highway's new route number. However, the notoriety
of this route number quickly began to be noticed. Facing mounting public
pressure, compounded by the predictable problem of route marker thefts,
the Ministry of Transportation decided to change the highway's route
number to Highway 658 in 1985. Highway 666 was mostly paved when it was
created in 1974, except for a gravel-surfaced section from Highway 598
to Highway 659. This portion of Highway 666 was paved in two sections
during 1977 and 1979. At the time of the highway's renumbering in 1985,
Highway 666 was 29 km in length.
[end quoted excerpts]

D
2024-08-13 15:23:48 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Or is somthing else afoot?
google's hideous usenet spam monster died shortly after 7 a.m. google-
plex time 22 february 2024, so to mammon-worshippers yes, usenet died

using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
Post by Anonymous
Subject: <thai spam>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000
22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)

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