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Trump Justice Department Tries to Take Microsoft Email Warrant Fight to Supreme Court
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Cornelis Tromp
2017-06-25 08:26:39 UTC
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This is left-wing dumb. Not with you on this one, Trump.

The US Department of Justice is attempting to take its long-
running legal battle with Microsoft over access to emails stored
on foreign servers to the Supreme Court. After several delays,
the Justice Department tonight filed a petition asking the
Supreme Court to take its case. An appeals court previously
ruled in favor of Microsoft, finding the the Justice Department
couldn’t use a warrant to obtain messages from one of the
company’s overseas data centers and would have to request the
data through an international treaty process instead.

If the Supreme Court agrees to hear the case, its decision will
have wide-ranging affects on the way the tech industry stores
user data and the way law enforcement accesses it, both in the
US and abroad.

But if the Supreme Court doesn’t take the case, the appeals
court ruling will stand, and the tech industry’s lobbying effort
to get Congress to change a 31-year-old law will accelerate.

“It seems backward to keep arguing in court when there is
positive momentum in Congress toward better law for everyone.
The DOJ’s position would put businesses in impossible conflict-
of-law situations and hurt the security, jobs, and personal
rights of Americans,” Microsoft president and chief legal
officer Brad Smith said in a statement.


How did we get here?

The battle between Microsoft and DOJ has been raging since 2013,
when the company challenged provisions of the Electronic
Communications Privacy Act governing law enforcement access to
user data.

The Justice Department was investigating a drug case, and wanted
access to a suspect’s emails, so it served Microsoft with a
warrant for the data. However, Microsoft has data centers all
around the world, and some of these emails happened to be stored
on a server in Ireland—beyond the reach of a US-issued warrant.

To get access to data that’s stored in other countries, US law
enforcement is supposed to go through the tedious Mutual Legal
Assistance Treaty, or MLAT, process. It takes roughly 10 months
to get data this way, and the Justice Department didn’t want to
wait that long.

Microsoft fought the warrant, arguing that ECPA doesn’t apply to
international data. ECPA became law in 1986, before lawmakers or
the public had any concept of how reliant we would all become on
cloud storage, and doesn’t clearly state how data stored in
another country ought to be acquired.

After losing its case in a lower court, Microsoft appealed to
the Second Circuit, which ruled last July that the Justice
Department couldn’t justify its use of a warrant to acquire data
stored overseas with ECPA. The Second Circuit declined in
January to re-hear the case, but called on Congress to step in
and fix the broken provisions of ECPA.

The legal standards at play in the case have been “left behind
by technology” and are “overdue for a congressional revision,”
Second Circuit Judge Susan L. Carney wrote in the decision.

The Justice Department indicated that it might appeal the case
to the Supreme Court—it had asked the Supreme Court twice for
more time to file a petition requesting that the Court hear the
case.

Why does this case matter?

Even though the internet feels like an ephemeral tangle of bits
that vanishes when you lock your phone screen, all that data has
to live somewhere. Server farms all over the world play host to
your sleeping emails, messages, and Snaps. (This is why everyone
says that annoying thing about how the cloud doesn’t exist, it’s
just other people’s computers.)

The outcome of Microsoft’s case will shape the future of law
when it comes to the cloud—and not just in the US. The case has
international implications, and that’s why many other tech
companies are watching closely to see how it turns out.

There are lots of good reasons to scatter data around the globe:
whenever an earthquake finally heaves Silicon Valley into the
ocean, you’ll presumably still want to be able to check your
DMs. Server farms also take up a lot of space and can benefit
from the surrounding climate. Ireland’s cool and misty weather
makes it particularly hospitable for server farms, and Google’s
not the only company storing data there.

But while this kind of data distribution is healthy for the
survival of infrastructure, it causes problems for law
enforcement agencies that want to read through a suspect’s
emails.

Crazy shit has started to happen as law enforcement agencies
demand that tech companies hand over data stored in other
countries. If the US can snatch foreign data with impunity,
other governments will want to do the same—and companies like
Microsoft won’t have good legal standing to refuse. That’s very
bad news for US consumers’ privacy.

In an effort to protect their own citizens’ data, some
governments are considering proposals that would order companies
to store data locally. This kind of data localization is
intended to evade overreaching law enforcement agencies from
other countries—Ireland, for instance, doesn’t want US courts to
access its citizens’ data without its say-so—but it doesn’t
really take into account the way data is transmitted and stored
on the modern web.

“By using a U.S. warrant to seek digital information overseas,
law enforcement effectively sidesteps the host of international
agreements that already govern how it may access evidence
located abroad,” Microsoft’s Smith testified before a
subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee in May. “The
short-circuiting of these agreements risks undermining the
international collaboration that is a cornerstone for the
protection of public safety.”

Allowing US agencies to enforce warrants outside US borders
would sow distrust among international users, tech companies
argue. Other companies would gain an advantage if they were seen
as more privacy-protective.

Conflicting laws also put tech employees in the awkward position
of having to decide which country’s laws they’re going to break.

“Those conflicts put technology companies in the impossible
position of choosing which country’s law to obey and which to
violate,” Smith testified. “While this may seem trivial to some,
I can attest that the threat of significant fines or
imprisonment—in the United States and in other countries where
we operate—are very real.”

If the Supreme Court agrees to hear the case, it could reverse
the Second Circuit decision and order Microsoft to comply with
the warrant, a move that Microsoft and other major tech
companies believe would be devastating for their businesses.

What happens now?

The Supreme Court now gets to decide whether or not it wants to
hear the case. It gets between 7,000 and 8,000 petitions per
term and only hears about 80 cases, according to SCOTUSblog, so
it might pass on this. But Microsoft’s case raises the kind of
unresolved legal issue that could be appealing to the court.

Whether or not the Supreme Court takes up the case, tech
lobbying efforts on ECPA are going to intensify.

Tech giants like Apple, Amazon, and Google, as well as civil
liberties organizations like the Electronic Frontier Foundation,
supported Microsoft’s lawsuit in the Second Circuit. These
companies would much rather see the issue decided by Congress
than the courts. Microsoft and Google have put forth proposals
for how they’d like to see Congress update the 31-year-old
legislation.

Since the Second Circuit declined to re-hear the case earlier
this year, tech companies have upped their lobbying efforts,
pressing Congress to undertake a revision of ECPA. Letting the
Supreme Court handle it is risky; a negative SCOTUS decision
would push the industry back to where it started in 2013.

“At its heart, the case illustrates how technology has evolved
over the past three decades—but the law has not,” Smith said
during his Senate testimony in May. He cautioned lawmakers about
the dangers of a “quick fix” legislative solution that might
give US law enforcement easy access to data, a move that would
upset other governments and could lead to the balkanization of
the internet.

Yesterday, Google also came out firmly in favor of an ECPA
revision. Like Microsoft, Google asserts that countries should
be able to make requests for user data if the user is within
that country’s jurisdiction or if the crime occurred within its
borders—even if the data is stored in another country.

Tech’s best hope so far is legislation drafted by Senators Orrin
Hatch, Chris Coons, and Dean Heller called the International
Communications Privacy Act, or ICPA. The proposed legislation
dovetails with the tech industry’s wishlist—it would maintain a
warrant requirement for access to the content of messages,
clarify the process for law enforcement to access data stored
abroad, and opposes data localization requirements.

But even if ICPA becomes law, it’s only the beginning—the next
step will be working on international agreements to get other
countries on board with the kind of controlled data sharing
Microsoft envisions (the US and UK have already negotiated an
agreement but other nations will likely want to do the same).

“The next step would be for the United States and foreign
governments to sign new agreements that could provide an
alternative to the MLAT process,” Google senior vice president
and general counsel Kent Walker wrote. “It’ll require action
here in Washington and in capitals around the world. However, we
can’t accept the complexity of action as a reason for inaction
in addressing an important and growing problem.”

Comments:

Eustache Dauger
Kate Conger
6/23/17 9:36pm
It seems backward to keep arguing in court when there is
positive momentum in Congress toward better law for everyone.
What batshit crazy universe is he living in?

The DOJ’s position would put businesses in impossible conflict-
of-law situations and hurt the security, jobs, and personal
rights of Americans,
Oh. Okay. Still this one.
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ArtistAtLarge
Kate Conger
6/24/17 1:00pm
This is treaty level policy. The Supreme Court cannot force the
world to do its bidding.

But just keep pissing off the world, America. Keep it up and see
what happens.
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CaptainJack
Kate Conger
6/24/17 11:47am
I don’t think that the DOJ really knows what they are asking
for, economically here.
The EU has already established a law that all EU resident’s data
must reside in EU datacenters, specifically because they are
outside of the reach of US warrants.

If the courts find in favor of the DOJ, and allow US Warrants to
cover searches of documents stored overseas, then it will
likewise be illegal for US companies to serve EU customers. That
means the three big cloud providers, Microsoft, Amazon, and
Google, would immediately lose all of their EU customers or pay
massive fines. It also opens the door for an EU based cloud
provider to swoop in a take those customers. Hell, it would
practically require it. Then other countries around the world,
wary of US spying, will see that it actually creates jobs for
them if they outlaw US cloud providers, will follow suite.

The US is losing manufacturing jobs. The only area where the US
is an economic powerhouse is the tech industry, and especially
cloud based service providers. This ruling could literally
destroy any advantage we have in that industry and actually put
the US at a significant disadvantage competitively. This could
cost hundreds of thousands of jobs for the US. All because the
asshats at the three letter agencies are so bent on spying on
everyone, consequences be damned.

http://gizmodo.com/justice-department-tries-to-take-microsoft-
email-warran-1796376432
Silver Slimer
2017-06-25 14:53:37 UTC
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:26:39 +0100 (BST), Cornelis Tromp
Post by Cornelis Tromp
This is left-wing dumb. Not with you on this one, Trump.
The US Department of Justice is attempting to take its long-
running legal battle with Microsoft over access to emails stored
on foreign servers to the Supreme Court. After several delays,
the Justice Department tonight filed a petition asking the
Supreme Court to take its case. An appeals court previously
ruled in favor of Microsoft, finding the the Justice Department
couldn’t use a warrant to obtain messages from one of the
company’s overseas data centers and would have to request the
data through an international treaty process instead.
If the Supreme Court agrees to hear the case, its decision will
have wide-ranging affects on the way the tech industry stores
user data and the way law enforcement accesses it, both in the
US and abroad.
But if the Supreme Court doesn’t take the case, the appeals
court ruling will stand, and the tech industry’s lobbying effort
to get Congress to change a 31-year-old law will accelerate.
“It seems backward to keep arguing in court when there is
positive momentum in Congress toward better law for everyone.
The DOJ’s position would put businesses in impossible conflict-
of-law situations and hurt the security, jobs, and personal
rights of Americans,” Microsoft president and chief legal
officer Brad Smith said in a statement.
How did we get here?
The battle between Microsoft and DOJ has been raging since 2013,
when the company challenged provisions of the Electronic
Communications Privacy Act governing law enforcement access to
user data.
The Justice Department was investigating a drug case, and wanted
access to a suspect’s emails, so it served Microsoft with a
warrant for the data. However, Microsoft has data centers all
around the world, and some of these emails happened to be stored
on a server in Ireland—beyond the reach of a US-issued warrant.
To get access to data that’s stored in other countries, US law
enforcement is supposed to go through the tedious Mutual Legal
Assistance Treaty, or MLAT, process. It takes roughly 10 months
to get data this way, and the Justice Department didn’t want to
wait that long.
Microsoft fought the warrant, arguing that ECPA doesn’t apply to
international data. ECPA became law in 1986, before lawmakers or
the public had any concept of how reliant we would all become on
cloud storage, and doesn’t clearly state how data stored in
another country ought to be acquired.
After losing its case in a lower court, Microsoft appealed to
the Second Circuit, which ruled last July that the Justice
Department couldn’t justify its use of a warrant to acquire data
stored overseas with ECPA. The Second Circuit declined in
January to re-hear the case, but called on Congress to step in
and fix the broken provisions of ECPA.
The legal standards at play in the case have been “left behind
by technology” and are “overdue for a congressional revision,”
Second Circuit Judge Susan L. Carney wrote in the decision.
The Justice Department indicated that it might appeal the case
to the Supreme Court—it had asked the Supreme Court twice for
more time to file a petition requesting that the Court hear the
case.
Why does this case matter?
Even though the internet feels like an ephemeral tangle of bits
that vanishes when you lock your phone screen, all that data has
to live somewhere. Server farms all over the world play host to
your sleeping emails, messages, and Snaps. (This is why everyone
says that annoying thing about how the cloud doesn’t exist, it’s
just other people’s computers.)
The outcome of Microsoft’s case will shape the future of law
when it comes to the cloud—and not just in the US. The case has
international implications, and that’s why many other tech
companies are watching closely to see how it turns out.
whenever an earthquake finally heaves Silicon Valley into the
ocean, you’ll presumably still want to be able to check your
DMs. Server farms also take up a lot of space and can benefit
from the surrounding climate. Ireland’s cool and misty weather
makes it particularly hospitable for server farms, and Google’s
not the only company storing data there.
But while this kind of data distribution is healthy for the
survival of infrastructure, it causes problems for law
enforcement agencies that want to read through a suspect’s
emails.
Crazy shit has started to happen as law enforcement agencies
demand that tech companies hand over data stored in other
countries. If the US can snatch foreign data with impunity,
other governments will want to do the same—and companies like
Microsoft won’t have good legal standing to refuse. That’s very
bad news for US consumers’ privacy.
In an effort to protect their own citizens’ data, some
governments are considering proposals that would order companies
to store data locally. This kind of data localization is
intended to evade overreaching law enforcement agencies from
other countries—Ireland, for instance, doesn’t want US courts to
access its citizens’ data without its say-so—but it doesn’t
really take into account the way data is transmitted and stored
on the modern web.
“By using a U.S. warrant to seek digital information overseas,
law enforcement effectively sidesteps the host of international
agreements that already govern how it may access evidence
located abroad,” Microsoft’s Smith testified before a
subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee in May. “The
short-circuiting of these agreements risks undermining the
international collaboration that is a cornerstone for the
protection of public safety.”
Allowing US agencies to enforce warrants outside US borders
would sow distrust among international users, tech companies
argue. Other companies would gain an advantage if they were seen
as more privacy-protective.
Conflicting laws also put tech employees in the awkward position
of having to decide which country’s laws they’re going to break.
“Those conflicts put technology companies in the impossible
position of choosing which country’s law to obey and which to
violate,” Smith testified. “While this may seem trivial to some,
I can attest that the threat of significant fines or
imprisonment—in the United States and in other countries where
we operate—are very real.”
If the Supreme Court agrees to hear the case, it could reverse
the Second Circuit decision and order Microsoft to comply with
the warrant, a move that Microsoft and other major tech
companies believe would be devastating for their businesses.
What happens now?
The Supreme Court now gets to decide whether or not it wants to
hear the case. It gets between 7,000 and 8,000 petitions per
term and only hears about 80 cases, according to SCOTUSblog, so
it might pass on this. But Microsoft’s case raises the kind of
unresolved legal issue that could be appealing to the court.
Whether or not the Supreme Court takes up the case, tech
lobbying efforts on ECPA are going to intensify.
Tech giants like Apple, Amazon, and Google, as well as civil
liberties organizations like the Electronic Frontier Foundation,
supported Microsoft’s lawsuit in the Second Circuit. These
companies would much rather see the issue decided by Congress
than the courts. Microsoft and Google have put forth proposals
for how they’d like to see Congress update the 31-year-old
legislation.
Since the Second Circuit declined to re-hear the case earlier
this year, tech companies have upped their lobbying efforts,
pressing Congress to undertake a revision of ECPA. Letting the
Supreme Court handle it is risky; a negative SCOTUS decision
would push the industry back to where it started in 2013.
“At its heart, the case illustrates how technology has evolved
over the past three decades—but the law has not,” Smith said
during his Senate testimony in May. He cautioned lawmakers about
the dangers of a “quick fix” legislative solution that might
give US law enforcement easy access to data, a move that would
upset other governments and could lead to the balkanization of
the internet.
Yesterday, Google also came out firmly in favor of an ECPA
revision. Like Microsoft, Google asserts that countries should
be able to make requests for user data if the user is within
that country’s jurisdiction or if the crime occurred within its
borders—even if the data is stored in another country.
Tech’s best hope so far is legislation drafted by Senators Orrin
Hatch, Chris Coons, and Dean Heller called the International
Communications Privacy Act, or ICPA. The proposed legislation
dovetails with the tech industry’s wishlist—it would maintain a
warrant requirement for access to the content of messages,
clarify the process for law enforcement to access data stored
abroad, and opposes data localization requirements.
But even if ICPA becomes law, it’s only the beginning—the next
step will be working on international agreements to get other
countries on board with the kind of controlled data sharing
Microsoft envisions (the US and UK have already negotiated an
agreement but other nations will likely want to do the same).
“The next step would be for the United States and foreign
governments to sign new agreements that could provide an
alternative to the MLAT process,” Google senior vice president
and general counsel Kent Walker wrote. “It’ll require action
here in Washington and in capitals around the world. However, we
can’t accept the complexity of action as a reason for inaction
in addressing an important and growing problem.”
Eustache Dauger
Kate Conger
6/23/17 9:36pm
It seems backward to keep arguing in court when there is
positive momentum in Congress toward better law for everyone.
What batshit crazy universe is he living in?
The DOJ’s position would put businesses in impossible conflict-
of-law situations and hurt the security, jobs, and personal
rights of Americans,
Oh. Okay. Still this one.
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ArtistAtLarge
Kate Conger
6/24/17 1:00pm
This is treaty level policy. The Supreme Court cannot force the
world to do its bidding.
But just keep pissing off the world, America. Keep it up and see
what happens.
Reply
CaptainJack
Kate Conger
6/24/17 11:47am
I don’t think that the DOJ really knows what they are asking
for, economically here.
The EU has already established a law that all EU resident’s data
must reside in EU datacenters, specifically because they are
outside of the reach of US warrants.
If the courts find in favor of the DOJ, and allow US Warrants to
cover searches of documents stored overseas, then it will
likewise be illegal for US companies to serve EU customers. That
means the three big cloud providers, Microsoft, Amazon, and
Google, would immediately lose all of their EU customers or pay
massive fines. It also opens the door for an EU based cloud
provider to swoop in a take those customers. Hell, it would
practically require it. Then other countries around the world,
wary of US spying, will see that it actually creates jobs for
them if they outlaw US cloud providers, will follow suite.
The US is losing manufacturing jobs. The only area where the US
is an economic powerhouse is the tech industry, and especially
cloud based service providers. This ruling could literally
destroy any advantage we have in that industry and actually put
the US at a significant disadvantage competitively. This could
cost hundreds of thousands of jobs for the US. All because the
asshats at the three letter agencies are so bent on spying on
everyone, consequences be damned.
http://gizmodo.com/justice-department-tries-to-take-microsoft-
email-warran-1796376432
This is a topic for the ages. On the one hand, unwarranted seizure
goes againsts the Fourth Amendment; on the other, restricted access to
such information could facilitate terrorism or any criminal activity.

For the longest time, I would have said that protecting a user's
privacy is promordial. However, I don't believe that users on e-mail
servers provided to them for free by a corporation should have that
expectation. If anything, the corporation is obliged to respect the
government of the country it does business in regardless of where the
actual information is stored.

As such, I would say that Microsoft should respect the American
government's wishes and any user who wants to maintain their privacy
in an e-mail system should a) use a private server or b) pay for
services from a company not residing in the United States and c) make
use of encryption technology such as GnuPG to keep the information
locked, opening it only if a valid warrant is provided.

Still, this whole debate is an interesting one and I'm surprised that
I'm the first one to respond to it.
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Johan
2017-06-26 20:02:13 UTC
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dump Trump!
He is a narcist, liar, pussy-grabber, dum ass and an idiot.

God did not bless America with Trump
T
2017-06-26 23:01:54 UTC
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Would you please take this kid of posting over to

alt.politics.scorched-earth

and leave these groups to helping people
BurfordTJustice
2017-06-27 11:11:59 UTC
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How long have you been those thing, born that way or trained??


"Johan" <***@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:oirp15$huj$***@dont-email.me...


a narcist, liar, pussy-grabber, dum ass and an idiot.
Johan
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Post by BurfordTJustice
How long have you been those thing, born that way or trained??
a narcist, liar, pussy-grabber, dum ass and an idiot.
I know, good reading must be an art for you, you are a Trump-voter
BurfordTJustice
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So you are afraid to admit how long you have been those things.

We bet you are also afraid to admit you are a liberal democrat
sponging off all you can.
Post by Johan
Post by BurfordTJustice
How long have you been those thing, born that way or trained??
a narcist, liar, pussy-grabber, dum ass and an idiot.
I know, good reading must be an art for you, you are a Trump-voter
Silver Slimer
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Post by Johan
dump Trump!
He is a narcist, liar, pussy-grabber, dum ass and an idiot.
God did not bless America with Trump
So far, Trump is the best President the United States has ever had.
Everyone complaining about him generally doesn't follow the news and
therefore has no idea what they are talking about.
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2017-06-27 15:53:00 UTC
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Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Johan
dump Trump!
He is a narcist, liar, pussy-grabber, dum ass and an idiot.
God did not bless America with Trump
So far, Trump is the best President the United States has ever had.
Somehow you've gotten turned upside down. He's the worst, beyond
question. Even worse than the Shrub.
Post by Silver Slimer
Everyone complaining about him generally doesn't follow the news and
therefore has no idea what they are talking about.
Anybody that still supports him is living in an alternate reality and
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Post by Tim Slattery
Post by Silver Slimer
So far, Trump is the best President the United States has ever had.
Somehow you've gotten turned upside down. He's the worst, beyond
question. Even worse than the Shrub.
Clearly, you are not a hater.
Post by Tim Slattery
Post by Silver Slimer
Everyone complaining about him generally doesn't follow the news and
therefore has no idea what they are talking about.
Anybody that still supports him is living in an alternate reality and
has no idea what they are talking about.
That's our Slime.
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Post by Tim Slattery
Post by Silver Slimer
So far, Trump is the best President the United States has ever had.
Somehow you've gotten turned upside down. He's the worst, beyond
question. Even worse than the Shrub.
Clearly, you are not a hater.
Post by Tim Slattery
Post by Silver Slimer
Everyone complaining about him generally doesn't follow the news and
therefore has no idea what they are talking about.
Anybody that still supports him is living in an alternate reality and
has no idea what they are talking about.
That's our Slime.
has anybody else noticed that slimer patently ignores anything that proves him wrong?

he must own stock in horse blinders.
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Post by Tim Slattery
Post by Silver Slimer
So far, Trump is the best President the United States has ever had.
Somehow you've gotten turned upside down. He's the worst, beyond
question. Even worse than the Shrub.
Clearly, you are not a hater.
Post by Tim Slattery
Post by Silver Slimer
Everyone complaining about him generally doesn't follow the news and
therefore has no idea what they are talking about.
Anybody that still supports him is living in an alternate reality and
has no idea what they are talking about.
That's our Slime.
has anybody else noticed that slimer patently ignores anything that proves him wrong?
Examples?
i've responded to a lot of his pro-trump, white-supremacist, anti-muslim fox news and breitbart-esque links and he's been afraid to admit that the predominant violence in the USA is created by the huge numbers of violent white males in our midst.

i suspect that you could find these by googling:

"puppy whistle" "silver slimer"

also: what decade is your newsreader from that it can't handle ascii-encoded UTF-8 properly?
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Post by Silver Slimer
So far, Trump is the best President the United States has ever had.
Somehow you've gotten turned upside down. He's the worst, beyond
question. Even worse than the Shrub.
Clearly, you are not a hater.
Post by Tim Slattery
Post by Silver Slimer
Everyone complaining about him generally doesn't follow the news and
therefore has no idea what they are talking about.
Anybody that still supports him is living in an alternate reality and
has no idea what they are talking about.
That's our Slime.
has anybody else noticed that slimer patently ignores anything that proves him wrong?
Examples?
i've responded to a lot of his pro-trump, white-supremacist, anti-muslim
fox news and bartbriet-esque links and he's been afraid to admit that
the predominant violence in the USA is created by the huge numbers of
violent white males in our midst. i suspect that you could find these
by googling: "🐶 whistle" "silver slimer"
So you deny that once peaceful and safe for all countries like UK,
France, Germany, Sweden and so forth have all of a sudden become
overrun with crimes and the one thing they have in common is allowing
Muslim refugees into their country unvetted?
Examples?
How can you deny that?
Because you have no evidence of any country "all of a sudden becoming overrun with crimes", idiot.

also, you might not have noticed but there have been muslims in america since before the American Revolution.

That you aren't aware of these facts is how we can safely determine that you don't know your arse from a hole in the ground.
And BTW, you won't hear much of this from the MSM because it's not PC to
tell the truth,
And your "evidence" of this "inside scoop" of MSM is...
present the facts and let the chips fall where they
will. The MSM is mostly extremely leftist and are in the process of
making up stories and twisting facts as much as they can get away with.
Is that why they fell for the Hillary emails fiasco and #pizzagate nonsense?
CNN just got caught.
Evidence of this is...
You would think after the Donna Brazile incidents
last year they would have learned something. But they haven't.
As for fairness in reporting, Harvard recently did a study and the
results speak for themselves.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/447856/donald-trump-media-coverage-
80-percent-negative-harvard-study-finds
Yeah, I can see now why for 8 years we had to hear birther stories and "He's a muslim" on the fucking news as if that were a sane position. </sarcasm>
I'm an independent BTW.
Typically this phrase equates to:

"I am a white male or female who is too racist to be a democrat and suffering too much from dunning-kreuger to align with those dummy conservatives. P.S. Also, I believe just about any conspiracy theory that requires at least 17 logical fallacies... BTW"
I'm just glad I didn't waste a vote on Bernie
because it looks like he is another phony liberal.
so... you claim to be "independent" and yet you have concern for the "liberalness" of your liberals?

how "liberal" is "rand paul" for you?
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/339579-sanders-dodges-fox-question-on
-fbi-investigation
lol, if we're talking about people dodging questions jeff sessions is your man!
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also: what decade is your newsreader from that it can't handle
ascii-encoded UTF-8 properly?
Your posts are sprinkled with various idiotic ascii "pictures" for lack
of a better word. They look like crap.
Examples? ascii-encoded UTF-8 is absolutely valid according to the usenet RFCs.

either your reader is't RFC compliant or you can't figure out how not to break it.
Other groups snipped BTW.
How nice of you to do that!
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has anybody else noticed that slimer patently ignores anything that proves him wrong?
Examples?
Slime continues to assert that Ardour binaries "require payment",
despite the fact that running "sudo apt-get install ardour" proves him
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Post by Johan
dump Trump!
He is a narcist, liar, pussy-grabber, dum ass and an idiot.
God did not bless America with Trump
So far, Trump is the best President the United States has ever had.
Somehow you've gotten turned upside down. He's the worst, beyond
question. Even worse than the Shrub.
Post by Silver Slimer
Everyone complaining about him generally doesn't follow the news and
therefore has no idea what they are talking about.
Anybody that still supports him is living in an alternate reality and
has no idea what they are talking about.
Amen!
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Post by Johan
dump Trump!
He is a narcist, liar, pussy-grabber, dum ass and an idiot.
God did not bless America with Trump
So far, Trump is the best President the United States has ever had.
Somehow you've gotten turned upside down. He's the worst, beyond
question. Even worse than the Shrub.
Oh? He's kicking your ignorant lawless, mentally ill, woo-woo
indoctrinated, kook lefty asses.

SCOTUS just UNANIMOUSLY shoved his travel ban up your asses.

They will review it and pass it with a near majority in the fall.

Fake news peddler CNN has fired nutbag Kathy Griffin, the crazed
Iranian token, and three "journalists" who reported fake news
about Trump this weekend.

Tell us again who is the worst and has the problem?

You incorrigible leftist children are in dire need of spankings
and your education as to how the American government actually
works is sorely lacking. It's not totally your fault that
you're ignorant. You're a finished product of the leftists who
have been running the American education system for the last 40
years.

In order not to offend you little sweetypies, they've removed
all the "American politics" courses from public schools. Some
schools resisted that stupidity and taught us American Politics,
American Problems, American Government and Social Studies
beginning in grade 7 anyway.

Based on lefty ignorance of the American electoral system, the
Electoral college and the totally ignorant stories of Russian
electoral influence, it's apparent you were one of the neglected
and your dumb-assed parents were as well.

Trump is taking care of that little defect in your educations.
Pay close attention.
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Post by Silver Slimer
Everyone complaining about him generally doesn't follow the news and
therefore has no idea what they are talking about.
Anybody that still supports him is living in an alternate reality and
has no idea what they are talking about.
You're a T.U.R.D., Tim. That's reality.

Trump
Unacceptance
Resistance
Disorder

Suggest you seek professional mental health assistance.
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SCOTUS just UNANIMOUSLY
Since when is a 6-3 decision unanimous?
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SCOTUS just UNANIMOUSLY
Since when is a 6-3 decision unanimous?
since moron trumpers just parrot "information" that they glean from random blogspot sites probably created by russian operatives... yoyu know... the country that they just finished smugly handing our great nation's government over to like a bunch of fucking treasonous dumbfucks.
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SCOTUS just UNANIMOUSLY
Since when is a 6-3 decision unanimous?
Who cares? It's a majority. A busload of constitutionally ignorant
Democrat State Attorneys Generals just got slapped in their faces. Shows
you how professionally deficient Democrats and the people who elect them
are.

A first year law student would have known better than to waste their time
doing that.

It's rule of law, not make-it-up-as-you-go to please some loud-mouthed
special interest group of pro-immigration law breakers.

Democrats are so stupid anyway. They bring the people who hate them into
the country as "refugees" and expect gratititude along with assimilation.
It doesn't work that way.
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dump Trump!
He is a narcist, liar, pussy-grabber, dum ass and an idiot.
God did not bless America with Trump
So far, Trump is the best President the United States has ever had.
Somehow you've gotten turned upside down. He's the worst, beyond
question. Even worse than the Shrub.
So beating economic records, returning jobs to the United States and
exposing CNN as a pack of liars is now a bad thing?
Post by Tim Slattery
Post by Silver Slimer
Everyone complaining about him generally doesn't follow the news and
therefore has no idea what they are talking about.
Anybody that still supports him is living in an alternate reality and
has no idea what they are talking about.
Clearly, _YOU_ have no idea what you're talking about.
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So beating economic records, returning jobs to the United States
You really think that anything that he has done, so far, has helped
the economy? Economies do grow, so "records" will inevitably be
broken, you know.

There is also, no doubt, great optimism in the business world. They
have an ally in the White House, someone willing to shit on the common
man and on mother Earth, so that more money can be made.
Post by Silver Slimer
and exposing CNN as a pack of liars is now a bad thing?
As is Trump doesn't lie as much as they do. How about *years* of
"birther" nonsense, up-until a quick reversal, with no explanation.
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So beating economic records, returning jobs to the United States
You really think that anything that he has done, so far, has helped the
economy? Economies do grow, so "records" will inevitably be broken, you
know.
There is also, no doubt, great optimism in the business world. They
have an ally in the White House, someone willing to shit on the common
man and on mother Earth, so that more money can be made.
Post by Silver Slimer
and exposing CNN as a pack of liars is now a bad thing?
As is Trump doesn't lie as much as they do. How about *years* of
"birther" nonsense, up-until a quick reversal, with no explanation.
it was because trump learned that obama was a muslim born in kenya from LIBERAL FAKE NEWS(tm)...

i mean... DUH!
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Post by Johan
dump Trump!
He is a narcist, liar, pussy-grabber, dum ass and an idiot.
God did not bless America with Trump
So far, Trump is the best President the United States has ever had.
Somehow you've gotten turned upside down. He's the worst, beyond
question. Even worse than the Shrub.
So beating economic records
Study the chart here:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/188185/percent-chance-from-preceding-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us/
Post by Silver Slimer
returning jobs to the United States and
What jobs? Ah, I recall something about some company that was persuaded
to _keep_ some jobs in the USA, for a while, anyhow:
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/311373/trump-bribes-carrier-1000-jobs-usa-7-million-tax-breaks/

Oh, and there's Ford's cancellation of a new plant in San Luis Potosi
(Mexico). Good, those jobs are coming back to the USA! Whoops, no, a few
months later, Ford announced expansion of manufacturing in China instead:
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ford-s-china-move-casts-new-cloud-on-auto-manufacturing/article_9f802cde-e912-55f5-9581-bda25c2becc1.html

WTF is going on here?

Oh, I know, it's called "multinational corporation". They don't give a
fuck for any national interests, anywhere. Just costs and markets. And
they utilise local politicians to keep the voters confused and misinformed.
Post by Silver Slimer
exposing CNN as a pack of liars is now a bad thing?
Ah, yes, a couple of hacks make a bad call, so they're all liars.
Generalising from a single (or a few) cases is a fallacy. If I used
it, I'd believe that all conservatives are raving nutcases like Steve
Bannon. My personal knowledge of them suggests otherwise. Of course, I
don't know you personally. I know only your posts.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Tim Slattery
Post by Silver Slimer
Everyone complaining about him generally doesn't follow the news and
therefore has no idea what they are talking about.
Anybody that still supports him is living in an alternate reality and
has no idea what they are talking about.
Clearly, _YOU_ have no idea what you're talking about.
Avoid the networks and thinktanks. Go directly to the data sources. The
ones that cater to business. They don't give a rat's ass for ideology.
Ideology is bad for business, it distorts reality.
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Post by Silver Slimer
dump Trump! He is a narcist, liar, pussy-grabber, dum ass and an idiot.
God did not bless America with Trump
So far, Trump is the best President the United States has ever had.
Somehow you've gotten turned upside down. He's the worst, beyond
question. Even worse than the Shrub.
So beating economic records
https://www.statista.com/statistics/188185/percent-chance-from-precedin
g-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us/
Post by Silver Slimer
returning jobs to the United States and
What jobs? Ah, I recall something about some company that was persuaded
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/311373/trump-bribes-carrier-1000-jobs-u
sa-7-million-tax-breaks/
my retired coal miner foreman father hasn't gotten the tempting call back to the mines and out of retirement yet...

the closed mines in PA aren't suddenly re-opening.

the closed mines in west virginia aren't suddenly re-opening.

"bring back coal" indeed.
Post by Wolf K
Oh, and there's Ford's cancellation of a new plant in San Luis Potosi
(Mexico). Good, those jobs are coming back to the USA! Whoops, no, a
few months later, Ford announced expansion of manufacturing in China
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ford-s-china-move-casts-new-clou
d-on-auto-manufacturing/article_9f802cde-e912-55f5-9581-bda25c2becc1.htm
l
WTF is going on here?
idiots believing what they hear just because it was calculated to be EXACTLY what they WANTED to hear.
Post by Wolf K
Oh, I know, it's called "multinational corporation". They don't give a
fuck for any national interests, anywhere. Just costs and markets. And
they utilise local politicians to keep the voters confused and
misinformed.
they also collude with wikileaks and other nations to tamper with elections.
Post by Wolf K
Post by Silver Slimer
exposing CNN as a pack of liars is now a bad thing?
CNN is the first 24/7 news network. one should expect that in order to fill time they focus on non-stories or completely deconstruct a news item into absolute nonsense.
Post by Wolf K
Ah, yes, a couple of hacks make a bad call, so they're all liars.
Generalising from a single (or a few) cases is a fallacy. If I used
it, I'd believe that all conservatives are raving nutcases like Steve
Bannon. My personal knowledge of them suggests otherwise. Of course, I
don't know you personally. I know only your posts.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Tim Slattery
Post by Silver Slimer
Everyone complaining about him generally doesn't follow the news and
therefore has no idea what they are talking about.
Anybody that still supports him is living in an alternate reality and
has no idea what they are talking about.
Clearly, _YOU_ have no idea what you're talking about.
Avoid the networks and thinktanks. Go directly to the data sources. The
ones that cater to business. They don't give a rat's ass for ideology.
Ideology is bad for business, it distorts reality.
most republicans are incapable of diagramming a sentence that they just misspoke... i highly doubt they'll be crunching tables of data anytime soon. they need it explained to them and well, the person with the most money and exposure to conservatives is going to "win" - regardless if they are feeding the masses lies or not.
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So beating economic records, returning jobs to the United States and
exposing CNN as a pack of liars is now a bad thing?
What jobs, what economic records? He claims that everything he does is
the biggest and greatest, but it's all narcissistic crap.
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Post by Silver Slimer
So beating economic records, returning jobs to the United States and
exposing CNN as a pack of liars is now a bad thing?
What jobs, what economic records? He claims that everything he does is
the biggest and greatest, but it's all narcissistic crap.
...and his racist dunderhead supporters eat it up with a spoon and a cherry on top because they're gullible and naive and heard him calling the "black guy" a muslim for 8+ years.

let's not forget how the "liberal media" allowed trump and others to defame the president with outright lies and delusional conspiracy theories for 8 years too... and then the same "liberal media" tossed the election into trump's tubby lap by reporting insane #pizzagate bullshit and creative writing "leaks" from macedonian bloggers. so much for that whole "liberal media conspiracy" to blame trumps abject failures on.
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So beating economic records, returning jobs to the United States and
exposing CNN as a pack of liars is now a bad thing?
What jobs, what economic records? He claims that everything he does is
the biggest and greatest, but it's all narcissistic crap.
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2017-06-29 16:57:56 UTC
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Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Tim Slattery
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Post by Johan
dump Trump!
He is a narcist, liar, pussy-grabber, dum ass and an idiot.
God did not bless America with Trump
So far, Trump is the best President the United States has ever had.
Somehow you've gotten turned upside down. He's the worst, beyond
question. Even worse than the Shrub.
So beating economic records, returning jobs to the United States and
exposing CNN as a pack of liars is now a bad thing?
What jobs has he returned? And as far as lying, what president has lied more
than he has? What news agency? Heck, below I show a list of just SOME of his
lies. First, though, his favorability ratings around the world...

<http://pewrsr.ch/2sbg1dj>
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Global views of the U.S. and its president have shifted dramatically
downward since the end of Barack Obama¹s presidency and the start of
Donald Trump¹s, and they are now at similar levels to ratings from
the George W. Bush era, according to a new Pew Research Center
report that examines attitudes in 37 countries.

1) Mexico and Canada have lost confidence in the U.S. president.

2) In Western European countries, confidence in the U.S. president
has declined sharply.

3) Russia and Israel have gained confidence in the U.S. president.

4) Countries in the Middle East continue to have low favorability
ratings for the U.S.

5) Japan and South Korea have sharply lower confidence in the U.S.
president, but majorities remain favorable toward U.S. overall.
-----

Sounds like he is doing a great job, eh? LOL! But, hey, you brought up
lies... so, again, here are just some of his... then you can show the lies
of others and we can compare.

JAN. 21 "A reporter for Time magazine -- and I have been on their cover 14
or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time
magazine."
(Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.)

JAN. 23 "Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the
popular vote."
(There's no evidence of illegal voting.)

JAN. 25 "Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive.
Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive."
(Official aerial photos show Obama's 2009 inauguration was much more heavily
attended.)

JAN. 25 "Take a look at the Pew reports (which show voter fraud.)"
(The report never mentioned voter fraud.)

JAN. 25 "You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore."
(The real number is less than 1 million, according to the Urban Institute.)

JAN. 25 "So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a
speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech.
You can't have that."
(There were no gun homicide victims in Chicago that day.)

JAN. 26 "We've taken in tens of thousands of people. We know nothing about
them. They can say they vet them. They didn't vet them. They have no papers.
How can you vet somebody when you don't know anything about them and you
have no papers? How do you vet them? You can't."
(Vetting lasts up to two years.)

JAN. 26 "I cut off hundreds of millions of dollars off one particular plane,
hundreds of millions of dollars in a short period of time. It wasn't like I
spent, like, weeks, hours, less than hours, and many, many hundreds of
millions of dollars. And the plane's going to be better."
(Most of the cuts were already planned.)

JAN. 28 "The coverage about me in the @nytimes and the @washingtonpost has
been so false and angry that the times actually apologized to its dwindling
subscribers and readers."
(It never apologized.)

JAN. 29 "The Cuban-Americans, I got 84 percent of that vote."
(There is no support for this.)

JAN. 30 "Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for
questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer outage."
(At least 746 people were detained and processed, and the Delta outage
happened two days later.)

FEB. 3 "Professional anarchists, thugs and paid protesters are proving the
point of the millions of people who voted to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"
(There is no evidence of paid protesters.)

FEB. 4 "After being forced to apologize for its bad and inaccurate coverage
of me after winning the election, the FAKE NEWS @nytimes is still lost!"
(It never apologized.)

FEB. 5 "We had 109 people out of hundreds of thousands of travelers and all
we did was vet those people very, very carefully."
(About 60,000 people were affected.)

FEB. 6 "I have already saved more than $700 million when I got involved in
the negotiation on the F-35."
(Much of the price drop was projected before Trump took office.)

FEB. 6 "It's gotten to a point where it is not even being reported. And in
many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesn't want to report it."
(Terrorism has been reported on, often in detail.)

FEB. 6 "The failing @nytimes was forced to apologize to its subscribers for
the poor reporting it did on my election win. Now they are worse!"
(It didn't apologize.)

FEB. 6 "And the previous administration allowed it to happen because we
shouldn't have been in Iraq, but we shouldn't have gotten out the way we got
out. It created a vacuum, ISIS was formed."
(The group's origins date to 2004.)

FEB. 7 "And yet the murder rate in our country is the highest it's been in
47 years, right? Did you know that? Forty-seven years."
(It was higher in the 1980s and '90s.)

FEB. 7 "I saved more than $600 million. I got involved in negotiation on a
fighter jet, the F-35."
(The Defense Department projected this price drop before Trump took office.)

FEB. 9 "Chris Cuomo, in his interview with Sen. Blumenthal, never asked him
about his long-term lie about his brave 'service' in Vietnam. FAKE NEWS!"
(It was part of Cuomo's first question.)

FEB. 9 Sen. Richard Blumenthal "now misrepresents what Judge Gorsuch told
him?"
(The Gorsuch comments were later corroborated.)

FEB. 10 "I don't know about it. I haven't seen it. What report is that?"
(Trump knew about Flynn's actions for weeks.)

FEB. 12 "Just leaving Florida. Big crowds of enthusiastic supporters lining
the road that the FAKE NEWS media refuses to mention. Very dishonest!"
(The media did cover it.)

FEB. 16 "We got 306 because people came out and voted like they've never
seen before so that's the way it goes. I guess it was the biggest Electoral
College win since Ronald Reagan."
(George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama all won bigger margins in
the Electoral College.)

FEB. 16 "That's the other thing that was wrong with the travel ban. You had
Delta with a massive problem with their computer system at the airports."
(Delta's problems happened two days later.)

FEB. 16 "Walmart announced it will create 10,000 jobs in the United States
just this year because of our various plans and initiatives."
(The jobs are a result of its investment plans announced in October 2016.)

FEB. 16 "When WikiLeaks, which I had nothing to do with, comes out and
happens to give, they're not giving classified information."
(Not always. They have released classified information in the past.)

FEB. 16 "We had a very smooth rollout of the travel ban. But we had a bad
court. Got a bad decision."
(The rollout was chaotic.)

FEB. 16 "They're giving stuff -- what was said at an office about Hillary
cheating on the debates. Which, by the way, nobody mentions. Nobody mentions
that Hillary received the questions to the debates."
(It was widely covered.)

FEB. 18 "And there was no way to vet those people. There was no
documentation. There was no nothing."
(Refugees receive multiple background checks, taking up to two years.)

FEB. 18 "You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's
happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?"
(Trump implied there was a terror attack in Sweden, but there was no such
attack.)

FEB. 24 "By the way, you folks are in here -- this place is packed, there
are lines that go back six blocks."
(There was no evidence of long lines.)

FEB. 24 "ICE came and endorsed me."
(Only its union did.)

FEB. 24 "Obamacare covers very few people -- and remember, deduct from the
number all of the people that had great health care that they loved that was
taken away from them -- it was taken away from them."
(Obamacare increased coverage by a net of about 20 million.)

FEB. 27 "Since Obamacare went into effect, nearly half of the insurers are
stopped and have stopped from participating in the Obamacare exchanges."
(Many fewer pulled out.)

FEB. 27 "On one plane, on a small order of one plane, I saved $725 million.
And I would say I devoted about, if I added it up, all those calls, probably
about an hour. So I think that might be my highest and best use."
(Much of the price cut was already projected.)

FEB. 28 "And now, based on our very strong and frank discussions, they are
beginning to do just that."
(NATO countries agreed to meet defense spending requirements in 2014.)

FEB. 28 "The E.P.A.'s regulators were putting people out of jobs by the
hundreds of thousands."
(There's no evidence that the Waters of the United States rule caused severe
job losses.)

FEB. 28 "We have begun to drain the swamp of government corruption by
imposing a five-year ban on lobbying by executive branch officials."
(They can't lobby their former agency but can still become lobbyists.)

MARCH 3 "It is so pathetic that the Dems have still not approved my full
Cabinet."
(Paperwork for the last two candidates was still not submitted to the
Senate.)

MARCH 4 "Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump
Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"
(There's no evidence of a wiretap.)

MARCH 4 "How low has President Obama gone to tap my phones during the very
sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad
(or sick) guy!"
(There's no evidence of a wiretap.)

MARCH 7 "122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from
Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!"
(113 of them were released by President George W. Bush.)

MARCH 13 "I saved a lot of money on those jets, didn't I? Did I do a good
job? More than $725 million on them."
(Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)

MARCH 13 "First of all, it covers very few people."
(About 20 million people gained insurance under Obamacare.)

MARCH 15 "On the airplanes, I saved $725 million. Probably took me a half an
hour if you added up all of the times."
(Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)

MARCH 17 "I was in Tennessee -- I was just telling the folks -- and half of
the state has no insurance company, and the other half is going to lose the
insurance company."
(There's at least one insurer in every Tennessee county.)

MARCH 20 "With just one negotiation on one set of airplanes, I saved the
taxpayers of our country over $700 million."
(Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)

MARCH 21 "To save taxpayer dollars, I've already begun negotiating better
contracts for the federal government -- saving over $700 million on just one
set of airplanes of which there are many sets."
(Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)

MARCH 22 "I make the statement, everyone goes crazy. The next day they have
a massive riot, and death, and problems."
(Riots in Sweden broke out two days later and there were no deaths.)

MARCH 22 "NATO, obsolete, because it doesn't cover terrorism. They fixed
that."
(It has fought terrorism since the 1980s.)

MARCH 22 "Well, now, if you take a look at the votes, when I say that, I
mean mostly they register wrong -- in other words, for the votes, they
register incorrectly and/or illegally. And they then vote. You have
tremendous numbers of people."
(There's no evidence of widespread voter fraud.)

MARCH 29 "Remember when the failing @nytimes apologized to its subscribers,
right after the election, because their coverage was so wrong. Now worse!"
(It didn't apologize.)

MARCH 31 "We have a lot of plants going up now in Michigan that were never
going to be there if I -- if I didn't win this election, those plants would
never even think about going back. They were gone."
(These investments were already planned.)

APRIL 2 "And I was totally opposed to the war in the Middle East which I
think finally has been proven, people tried very hard to say I wasn't but
you've seen that it is now improving."
(He was for an invasion before he was against it.)

APRIL 2 "Now, my last tweet -- you know, the one that you are talking about,
perhaps -- was the one about being, in quotes, wiretapped, meaning
surveilled. Guess what, it is turning out to be true."
(There is still no evidence.)

APRIL 5 "You have many states coming up where they're going to have no
insurance company. O.K.? It's already happened in Tennessee. It's happening
in Kentucky. Tennessee only has half coverage. Half the state is gone. They
left."
(Every marketplace region in Tennessee had at least one insurer.)

APRIL 6 "If you look at the kind of cost-cutting we've been able to achieve
with the military and at the same time ordering vast amounts of equipment --
saved hundreds of millions of dollars on airplanes, and really billions,
because if you take that out over a period of years it's many billions of
dollars -- I think we've had a tremendous success."
(Much of the price cuts were already projected.)

APRIL 11 "I like Steve, but you have to remember he was not involved in my
campaign until very late. I had already beaten all the senators and all the
governors, and I didn't know Steve."
(He knew Steve Bannon since 2011.)

APRIL 12 "You can't do it faster, because they're obstructing. They're
obstructionists. So I have people -- hundreds of people that we're trying to
get through. I mean you have -- you see the backlog. We can't get them
through."
(At this point, he had not nominated anyone for hundreds of positions.)

APRIL 12 "The New York Times said the word wiretapped in the headline of the
first edition. Then they took it out of there fast when they realized."
(There were separate headlines for print and web, but neither were altered.)

APRIL 12 "The secretary general and I had a productive discussion about what
more NATO can do in the fight against terrorism. I complained about that a
long time ago and they made a change, and now they do fight terrorism."
(NATO has been engaged in counterterrorism efforts since the 1980s.)

APRIL 12 "Mosul was supposed to last for a week and now they've been
fighting it for many months and so many more people died."
(The campaign was expected to take months.)

APRIL 16 "Someone should look into who paid for the small organized rallies
yesterday. The election is over!"
(There's no evidence of paid protesters.)

APRIL 18 "The fake media goes, 'Donald Trump changed his stance on China.' I
haven't changed my stance."
(He did.)

APRIL 21 "On 90 planes I saved $725 million. It's actually a little bit more
than that, but it's $725 million."
(Much of the price cuts were already projected.)

APRIL 21 "When WikiLeaks came out ... never heard of WikiLeaks, never heard
of it."
(He criticized it as early as 2010.)

APRIL 27 "I want to help our miners while the Democrats are blocking their
healthcare."
(The bill to extend health benefits for certain coal miners was introduced
by a Democrat and was co-sponsored by mostly Democrats.)

APRIL 28 "The trade deficit with Mexico is close to $70 billion, even with
Canada it's $17 billion trade deficit with Canada."
(The U.S. had an $8.1 billion trade surplus, not deficit, with Canada in
2016.)

APRIL 28 "She's running against someone who's going to raise your taxes to
the sky, destroy your health care, and he's for open borders -- lots of
crime."
(Those are not Jon Ossoff's positions.)

APRIL 28 "The F-35 fighter jet program -- it was way over budget. I've saved
$725 million plus, just by getting involved in the negotiation."
(Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.)

APRIL 29 "They're incompetent, dishonest people who after an election had to
apologize because they covered it, us, me, but all of us, they covered it so
badly that they felt they were forced to apologize because their predictions
were so bad."
(The Times did not apologize.)

APRIL 29 "As you know, I've been a big critic of China, and I've been
talking about currency manipulation for a long time. But I have to tell you
that during the election, number one, they stopped."
(China stopped years ago.)

APRIL 29 "I've already saved more than $725 million on a simple order of
F-35 planes. I got involved in the negotiation."
(Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.)

APRIL 29 "We're also getting NATO countries to finally step up and
contribute their fair share. They've begun to increase their contributions
by billions of dollars, but we are not going to be satisfied until everyone
pays what they owe."
(The deal was struck in 2014.)

APRIL 29 "When they talk about currency manipulation, and I did say I would
call China, if they were, a currency manipulator, early in my tenure. And
then I get there. Number one, they -- as soon as I got elected, they
stopped."
(China stopped in 2014.)

APRIL 29 "I was negotiating to reduce the price of the big fighter jet
contract, the F-35, which was totally out of control. I will save billions
and billions and billions of dollars."
(Most of the cuts were planned before Trump.)

APRIL 29 "I think our side's been proven very strongly. And everybody's
talking about it."
(There's still no evidence Trump's phones were tapped.)

MAY 1 "Well, we are protecting pre-existing conditions. And it'll be every
good -- bit as good on pre-existing conditions as Obamacare."
(The bill weakens protections for people with pre-existing conditions.)

MAY 1 "The F-35 fighter jet -- I saved -- I got involved in the negotiation.
It's 2,500 jets. I negotiated for 90 planes, lot 10. I got $725 million off
the price."
(Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.)

MAY 1 "First of all, since I started running, they haven't increased their
-- you know, they have not manipulated their currency. I think that was out
of respect to me and the campaign."
(China stopped years ago.)

MAY 2 "I love buying those planes at a reduced price. I have been really --
I have cut billions -- I have to tell you this, and they can check, right,
Martha? I have cut billions and billions of dollars off plane contracts
sitting here."
(Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)

MAY 4 "Number two, they're actually not a currency [manipulator]. You know,
since I've been talking about currency manipulation with respect to them and
other countries, they stopped."
(China stopped years ago.)

MAY 4 "We're the highest-taxed nation in the world."
(We're not.)

MAY 4 "Nobody cares about my tax return except for the reporters."
(Polls show most Americans do care.)

MAY 8 "You know we've gotten billions of dollars more in NATO than we're
getting. All because of me."
(The deal was struck in 2014.)

MAY 8 "But when I did his show, which by the way was very highly rated. It
was high -- highest rating. The highest rating he's ever had."
(Colbert's "Late Show" debut had nearly two million more viewers.)

MAY 8 "Director Clapper reiterated what everybody, including the fake media
already knows -- there is 'no evidence' of collusion w/ Russia and Trump."
(Clapper only said he wasn't aware of an investigation.)

MAY 12 "Again, the story that there was collusion between the Russians &
Trump campaign was fabricated by Dems as an excuse for losing the election."
(The F.B.I. was investigating before the election.)

MAY 12 "When James Clapper himself, and virtually everyone else with
knowledge of the witch hunt, says there is no collusion, when does it end?"
(Clapper said he wouldn't have been told of an investigation into
collusion.)

MAY 13 "I'm cutting the price of airplanes with Lockheed."
(The cost cuts were planned before he became president.)

MAY 26 "Just arrived in Italy for the G7. Trip has been very successful. We
made and saved the USA many billions of dollars and millions of jobs."
(He's referencing an arms deal that's not enacted and other apparent deals
that weren't announced on the trip.)

JUNE 1 "China will be allowed to build hundreds of additional coal plants.
So, we can't build the plants, but they can, according to this agreement.
India will be allowed to double its coal production by 2020."
(The agreement doesn't allow or disallow building coal plants.)

JUNE 1 "I've just returned from a trip overseas where we concluded nearly
$350 billion of military and economic development for the United States,
creating hundreds of thousands of jobs."
(Trump's figures are inflated and premature.)

JUNE 4 "At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and mayor of London
says there is 'no reason to be alarmed!'"
(The mayor was specifically talking about the enlarged police presence on
the streets.)

JUNE 5 "The Justice Dept. should have stayed with the original Travel Ban,
not the watered down, politically correct version they submitted to S.C."
(Trump signed this version of the travel ban, not the Justice Department.)

JUNE 21 "They all say it's 'nonbinding.' Like hell it's nonbinding."
(The Paris climate agreement is nonbinding -- and Trump said so in his
speech announcing the withdrawal.)

JUNE 21 "Right now, we are one of the highest-taxed nations in the world."
(We're not.)
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Tim Slattery
Post by Silver Slimer
Everyone complaining about him generally doesn't follow the news and
therefore has no idea what they are talking about.
Anybody that still supports him is living in an alternate reality and
has no idea what they are talking about.
Clearly, _YOU_ have no idea what you're talking about.
Wow... such an amazing comeback! LOL!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.


Nomen Nescio
2017-06-27 14:01:37 UTC
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Post by Johan
dump Trump!
He is a narcist, liar, pussy-grabber, dum ass and an idiot.
God did not bless America with Trump
God sent Trump to straighten America out.

He's in charge, you and the other progressive dick suckers are
not.

I hope he send death squads to every democrat home and has them
executed in the streets.
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