Discussion:
Hack-A-Mac, macOS High Sierra security vulnerability discovered
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Anonymous
2017-11-29 19:55:23 UTC
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https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/

Lol!
Doomsdrzej
2017-11-29 22:29:37 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Tim Streater
2017-11-29 23:37:25 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Fuck off.
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Doomsdrzej
2017-11-29 23:42:42 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 23:37:25 +0000, Tim Streater
Post by Tim Streater
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Fuck off.
You first.
Lewis
2017-11-30 01:24:16 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Yeah, it's not like every windows computer has a rin -3 vulnerability
built in that give anyone access to the computer, the hardware, andthe
firmware.

Oh, wait...
--
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programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest." - Isaac
Asimov
Cornelis Tromp
2017-11-30 22:15:23 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Yeah, it's not like every windows computer has a rin -3 vulnerability
built in that give anyone access to the computer, the hardware, andthe
firmware.
Oh, wait...
That's because they don't.

Anybody with any brains knows about the AMT management I/F and
simply turns it off.

Apple users are stupid.
Lewis
2017-12-01 07:11:42 UTC
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Post by Cornelis Tromp
Post by Lewis
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Yeah, it's not like every windows computer has a rin -3 vulnerability
built in that give anyone access to the computer, the hardware, andthe
firmware.
Oh, wait...
That's because they don't.
Anybody with any brains knows about the AMT management I/F and
simply turns it off.
Your ignrance uis showing.
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Apple users are stupid.
And you are an ignorant fool.
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outside the pages of a really filthy magazine
Nathan Hale
2017-11-30 07:48:18 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Doomsdrzej
2017-11-30 13:28:22 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
RJH
2017-11-30 18:38:52 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)

I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.

While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
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Cheers, Rob
Doomsdrzej
2017-11-30 21:40:14 UTC
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Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
Tim Streater
2017-11-30 21:49:59 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
And being an arse, who'd rather be an arse rather than be helpful,
you've not bothered to go onto ebay and get a 2011/2012 Mini with one
drive, and then take it to your friendly local Mac shop and ask them to
add an SSD as the primary drive in the empty drive mount.

We've got two like that here are they are perfectly adequate,
speed-wise.
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a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee
Doomsdrzej
2017-11-30 23:08:54 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:49:59 +0000, Tim Streater
Post by Tim Streater
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
And being an arse, who'd rather be an arse rather than be helpful,
you've not bothered to go onto ebay and get a 2011/2012 Mini with one
drive, and then take it to your friendly local Mac shop and ask them to
add an SSD as the primary drive in the empty drive mount.
I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware. No sane person
would ask them to shell out even more money (even though they did on
RAM which was promised to speed things up and did no such thing) to
remedy Apple's idiotic decision to use an HD in the era of SSDs.
Post by Tim Streater
We've got two like that here are they are perfectly adequate,
speed-wise.
Because, as Apple users, your standards for security and performance
are low. You'd be just as satisfied with an unreliable and slow Fiat
500 if someone slapped an Apple logo on it.
Alan Baker
2017-11-30 23:10:27 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:49:59 +0000, Tim Streater
Post by Tim Streater
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
And being an arse, who'd rather be an arse rather than be helpful,
you've not bothered to go onto ebay and get a 2011/2012 Mini with one
drive, and then take it to your friendly local Mac shop and ask them to
add an SSD as the primary drive in the empty drive mount.
I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware. No sane person
would ask them to shell out even more money (even though they did on
RAM which was promised to speed things up and did no such thing) to
remedy Apple's idiotic decision to use an HD in the era of SSDs.
Blah, blah, blah.

It's all bullshit until you give us some specifics.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Tim Streater
We've got two like that here are they are perfectly adequate,
speed-wise.
Because, as Apple users, your standards for security and performance
are low. You'd be just as satisfied with an unreliable and slow Fiat
500 if someone slapped an Apple logo on it.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 02:17:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:49:59 +0000, Tim Streater
Post by Tim Streater
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
And being an arse, who'd rather be an arse rather than be helpful,
you've not bothered to go onto ebay and get a 2011/2012 Mini with one
drive, and then take it to your friendly local Mac shop and ask them to
add an SSD as the primary drive in the empty drive mount.
I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware. No sane person
would ask them to shell out even more money (even though they did on
RAM which was promised to speed things up and did no such thing) to
remedy Apple's idiotic decision to use an HD in the era of SSDs.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's all bullshit until you give us some specifics.
Specifics of WHAT, pray tell? Boot time is slow, applications opening
is slow, applications closing is slow, navigating through the file
system is slow. _EVERYTHING_ is slow.

It's a slow operating system with a slow filesystem which caters to
slow people.
nospam
2017-12-01 02:18:56 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
It's all bullshit until you give us some specifics.
Specifics of WHAT, pray tell? Boot time is slow, applications opening
is slow, applications closing is slow, navigating through the file
system is slow. _EVERYTHING_ is slow.
then something is *wrong*. that is definitely *not* normal.
Post by Doomsdrzej
It's a slow operating system with a slow filesystem which caters to
slow people.
nonsense.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 15:12:21 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
It's all bullshit until you give us some specifics.
Specifics of WHAT, pray tell? Boot time is slow, applications opening
is slow, applications closing is slow, navigating through the file
system is slow. _EVERYTHING_ is slow.
then something is *wrong*. that is definitely *not* normal.
Before you suggest a "cleaner" to fix the problem, already done.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
It's a slow operating system with a slow filesystem which caters to
slow people.
nonsense.
Utter truth.
nospam
2017-12-01 19:15:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Specifics of WHAT, pray tell? Boot time is slow, applications opening
is slow, applications closing is slow, navigating through the file
system is slow. _EVERYTHING_ is slow.
then something is *wrong*. that is definitely *not* normal.
Before you suggest a "cleaner" to fix the problem, already done.
'cleaners' make things worse. do not use.
Jolly Roger
2017-12-01 19:17:36 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Specifics of WHAT, pray tell? Boot time is slow, applications
opening is slow, applications closing is slow, navigating through
the file system is slow. _EVERYTHING_ is slow.
then something is *wrong*. that is definitely *not* normal.
Before you suggest a "cleaner" to fix the problem, already done.
'cleaners' make things worse. do not use.
And if he knew anything at all about Macs or macOS, he'd know that.
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Alan Baker
2017-12-01 02:45:37 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:49:59 +0000, Tim Streater
Post by Tim Streater
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
And being an arse, who'd rather be an arse rather than be helpful,
you've not bothered to go onto ebay and get a 2011/2012 Mini with one
drive, and then take it to your friendly local Mac shop and ask them to
add an SSD as the primary drive in the empty drive mount.
I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware. No sane person
would ask them to shell out even more money (even though they did on
RAM which was promised to speed things up and did no such thing) to
remedy Apple's idiotic decision to use an HD in the era of SSDs.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's all bullshit until you give us some specifics.
Specifics of WHAT, pray tell? Boot time is slow, applications opening
is slow, applications closing is slow, navigating through the file
system is slow. _EVERYTHING_ is slow.
Which Mac Mini exactly?
Post by Doomsdrzej
It's a slow operating system with a slow filesystem which caters to
slow people.
What a pity you have nothing to support any of that.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 15:12:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:49:59 +0000, Tim Streater
Post by Tim Streater
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
And being an arse, who'd rather be an arse rather than be helpful,
you've not bothered to go onto ebay and get a 2011/2012 Mini with one
drive, and then take it to your friendly local Mac shop and ask them to
add an SSD as the primary drive in the empty drive mount.
I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware. No sane person
would ask them to shell out even more money (even though they did on
RAM which was promised to speed things up and did no such thing) to
remedy Apple's idiotic decision to use an HD in the era of SSDs.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's all bullshit until you give us some specifics.
Specifics of WHAT, pray tell? Boot time is slow, applications opening
is slow, applications closing is slow, navigating through the file
system is slow. _EVERYTHING_ is slow.
Which Mac Mini exactly?
Whatever they released around 2013.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
It's a slow operating system with a slow filesystem which caters to
slow people.
What a pity you have nothing to support any of that.
Oh no! Baked Anus won't believe me. I'll try to sleep tonight despite
that.
Alan Baker
2017-12-01 16:54:58 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:49:59 +0000, Tim Streater
Post by Tim Streater
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
And being an arse, who'd rather be an arse rather than be helpful,
you've not bothered to go onto ebay and get a 2011/2012 Mini with one
drive, and then take it to your friendly local Mac shop and ask them to
add an SSD as the primary drive in the empty drive mount.
I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware. No sane person
would ask them to shell out even more money (even though they did on
RAM which was promised to speed things up and did no such thing) to
remedy Apple's idiotic decision to use an HD in the era of SSDs.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's all bullshit until you give us some specifics.
Specifics of WHAT, pray tell? Boot time is slow, applications opening
is slow, applications closing is slow, navigating through the file
system is slow. _EVERYTHING_ is slow.
Which Mac Mini exactly?
Whatever they released around 2013.
So you parents bought a Mac Mini at best buy in 2013 to replace a
machine that failed?
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
It's a slow operating system with a slow filesystem which caters to
slow people.
What a pity you have nothing to support any of that.
Oh no! Baked Anus won't believe me. I'll try to sleep tonight despite
that.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 22:40:29 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
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Post by Alan Baker
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:49:59 +0000, Tim Streater
Post by Tim Streater
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
And being an arse, who'd rather be an arse rather than be helpful,
you've not bothered to go onto ebay and get a 2011/2012 Mini with one
drive, and then take it to your friendly local Mac shop and ask them to
add an SSD as the primary drive in the empty drive mount.
I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware. No sane person
would ask them to shell out even more money (even though they did on
RAM which was promised to speed things up and did no such thing) to
remedy Apple's idiotic decision to use an HD in the era of SSDs.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's all bullshit until you give us some specifics.
Specifics of WHAT, pray tell? Boot time is slow, applications opening
is slow, applications closing is slow, navigating through the file
system is slow. _EVERYTHING_ is slow.
Which Mac Mini exactly?
Whatever they released around 2013.
So you parents bought a Mac Mini at best buy in 2013 to replace a
machine that failed?
Did I stutter?
Alan Baker
2017-12-02 19:45:52 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:49:59 +0000, Tim Streater
Post by Tim Streater
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
And being an arse, who'd rather be an arse rather than be helpful,
you've not bothered to go onto ebay and get a 2011/2012 Mini with one
drive, and then take it to your friendly local Mac shop and ask them to
add an SSD as the primary drive in the empty drive mount.
I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware. No sane person
would ask them to shell out even more money (even though they did on
RAM which was promised to speed things up and did no such thing) to
remedy Apple's idiotic decision to use an HD in the era of SSDs.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's all bullshit until you give us some specifics.
Specifics of WHAT, pray tell? Boot time is slow, applications opening
is slow, applications closing is slow, navigating through the file
system is slow. _EVERYTHING_ is slow.
Which Mac Mini exactly?
Whatever they released around 2013.
So you parents bought a Mac Mini at best buy in 2013 to replace a
machine that failed?
Did I stutter?
Just trying to make sure I understand.

You're complaining that a machine bought in 2013 didn't have an SSD?

SSDs were a lot less common 4 years ago.
nospam
2017-11-30 23:25:57 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware.
nonsense.

prices are similar for similar configurations, often less expensive.
Anonymous
2017-12-01 22:34:10 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware.
nonsense.
prices are similar for similar configurations, often less expensive.
Disagree.

I can buy a decent 15.6" brand new laptop for less than $400.

I see a LOT of "refurbished" MacBooks at $460+, but they are 11,
12, 13 inch models with practically no real disk space available.
nospam
2017-12-01 22:51:16 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
I can buy a decent 15.6" brand new laptop for less than $400.
yes you can, and possibly even for less than that, however, it will not
have anywhere near the same specs as a 15" macbook pro.

the display on that $400 noname piece of junk won't be a wide gamut
dci-p3 retina display that's found on a macbook pro, nor will that $400
noname piece of junk have a touchid sensor or thunderbolt 3 (40 gb/s).

microsoft's surface laptop starts at $1000 with a paltry 128 gig ssd, 4
gig memory and an i5 processor, more than twice your noname piece of
junk with unknown specs.

the only way to get 512 gig ssd on the surface laptop is by moving up
to 16 gig memory and an i7, which brings the price to $2200, over four
times as much as your noname piece of junk.

<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/config/surface-laptop/90FC23DV6SN
Z?cid=surfacelaptopinterstitial630>
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 23:25:10 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Anonymous
I can buy a decent 15.6" brand new laptop for less than $400.
yes you can, and possibly even for less than that, however, it will not
have anywhere near the same specs as a 15" macbook pro.
Lies. You can get the same specs as a Mac for much less since the
specs in a Mac are usually at least one generation outdated by the
time they reach store shelves. What Apple sells as new, PC users are
selling as pre-owned on eBay.
Post by nospam
the display on that $400 noname piece of junk won't be a wide gamut
dci-p3 retina display that's found on a macbook pro, nor will that $400
noname piece of junk have a touchid sensor or thunderbolt 3 (40 gb/s).
My wife's Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 has such a screen and she didn't pay as
much as she would have for a Macbook Pro which doesn't even have a
friggin' touch screen and can't be converted into a tablet.
Post by nospam
microsoft's surface laptop starts at $1000 with a paltry 128 gig ssd, 4
gig memory and an i5 processor, more than twice your noname piece of
junk with unknown specs.
Absolutely _no one_ in this newsgroup suggested a Surface Pro as being
a reasonably-priced Windows machine. We all already know that
Microsoft is charging a lot. They're competing for the idiots with
loose wallets that Apple attracts. However, the Surface Pro is still a
much better deal than any Mac.
Post by nospam
the only way to get 512 gig ssd on the surface laptop is by moving up
to 16 gig memory and an i7, which brings the price to $2200, over four
times as much as your noname piece of junk.
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/config/surface-laptop/90FC23DV6SN
Z?cid=surfacelaptopinterstitial630>
By all means, point the finger at whoever suggested the Surface Pro as
a suitable replacement and considered it a properly-priced machine.

However, consider that a Surface Pro has a touch screen and can just
as easily be a tablet or a laptop. Amateur artists can also use it as
a graphics tablet to create a masterpiece or simply to add some flair
to a presentation. Does your expensive Mac have the ability to turn
into a tablet or offer a touch screen? Of course not.

It DOES have some idiotic bar on top of the keyboard though. I mean,
that's the ultimate must-have feature. Why would you want to draw with
your laptop? What are you, some kind of fruit?
RJH
2017-12-03 02:19:26 UTC
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On 01/12/2017 23:25, Doomsdrzej wrote:
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Lies. You can get the same specs as a Mac for much less since the
specs in a Mac are usually at least one generation outdated by the
time they reach store shelves.
I think this is a myth.

I've compared a number of PC systems to iMacs, Minis and Macbooks and
the crude cost premium is generally in the order of 10-20%.

And that really is a crude analysis. A big draw for me is the quality of
construction, choice of components, and internal design. An OS that is
pretty sound and secure, and updated FOC regularly helps.

Against this, the recent glued together iMacs and tendency to soldered
on processors and RAM is pretty rubbish IMO. But then I'm an edge case -
I'd guess not many Mac users upgrade by-component the way I like to.
--
Cheers, Rob
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 23:14:40 UTC
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 23:34:10 +0100, Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware.
nonsense.
prices are similar for similar configurations, often less expensive.
Disagree.
I can buy a decent 15.6" brand new laptop for less than $400.
I see a LOT of "refurbished" MacBooks at $460+, but they are 11,
12, 13 inch models with practically no real disk space available.
Same experience for me. These Mac zealots are a truly delusional
bunch.
Alan Baker
2017-12-02 07:35:23 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware.
nonsense.
prices are similar for similar configurations, often less expensive.
Disagree.
I can buy a decent 15.6" brand new laptop for less than $400.
Show us one...
Post by Anonymous
I see a LOT of "refurbished" MacBooks at $460+, but they are 11,
12, 13 inch models with practically no real disk space available.
RJH
2017-12-03 02:07:51 UTC
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On 30/11/2017 23:08, Doomsdrzej wrote:
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Post by Doomsdrzej
I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware.
Really?! If so, I think that's more an issue with software. Perfectly
possible, but another issue as we're talking about hardware.

I have got a 2012 Mini, which I use as a media server. Seems fine (but I
did add an SSD as boot drive), rock solid (don't think it's ever
crashed, always on/sleep), near silent.

It's also there as a backup. Never needed ;-)
--
Cheers, Rob
nospam
2017-11-30 22:02:06 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.

imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.

macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
Doomsdrzej
2017-11-30 23:11:17 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
Post by nospam
imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
Tim Streater
2017-11-30 23:16:12 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got.
That's their lookout then and I have no sympathy. Anyone with two brain
cells to rub together would have gone to the Apple Store. Personally
I've never heard of Best Buy.
--
"People don't buy Microsoft for quality, they buy it for compatibility
with what Bob in accounting bought last year. Trace it back - they buy
Microsoft because the IBM Selectric didn't suck much" - P Seebach, afc
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 02:18:57 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 23:16:12 +0000, Tim Streater
Post by Tim Streater
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got.
That's their lookout then and I have no sympathy. Anyone with two brain
cells to rub together would have gone to the Apple Store. Personally
I've never heard of Best Buy.
Yeah, I'm sure the Apple Store version of the same machine with the
same hardware and the same configuration would have performed a lot
better.

You must be a liberal.
Alan Baker
2017-11-30 23:16:24 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
"Thieves"? They forced your parents to buy, did they?

What a pity their allegedly-knowledgeable child wasn't there to set them
straight...
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
LOL!
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 02:23:06 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
"Thieves"? They forced your parents to buy, did they?
What a pity their allegedly-knowledgeable child wasn't there to set them
straight...
They only have a Mac because I felt that the operating system would be
easier for them to learn. After all, it's more "intuitive." Meanwhile,
anything that was intuitive in their operating system has since been
removed from it and it's no easier than using a Windows machine. If
anything, Windows is the easier one of the two if people stick to
Universal Windows apps.

They DID however get used to the operating system after the first Mac
Mini and I'm not one to try to teach old dogs new tricks. Despite the
fact that Apple hardware is a joke and the company can't seem to
innovate anything anymore ever since that cocksucking social justice
clown took over, I helped them to buy a replacement machine.

Still, tell me why I should spend $3k on a machine which boasts an
Intel HD video card when I can get a better-looking games machine for
less than half of that.
Alan Baker
2017-12-01 02:46:37 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
"Thieves"? They forced your parents to buy, did they?
What a pity their allegedly-knowledgeable child wasn't there to set them
straight...
They only have a Mac because I felt that the operating system would be
easier for them to learn. After all, it's more "intuitive." Meanwhile,
anything that was intuitive in their operating system has since been
removed from it and it's no easier than using a Windows machine. If
anything, Windows is the easier one of the two if people stick to
Universal Windows apps.
And WHEN are you claiming you recommended Macs for them?
Post by Doomsdrzej
They DID however get used to the operating system after the first Mac
Mini and I'm not one to try to teach old dogs new tricks. Despite the
fact that Apple hardware is a joke and the company can't seem to
innovate anything anymore ever since that cocksucking social justice
clown took over, I helped them to buy a replacement machine.
Still, tell me why I should spend $3k on a machine which boasts an
Intel HD video card when I can get a better-looking games machine for
less than half of that.
Concrete examples, please...
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 15:13:49 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
"Thieves"? They forced your parents to buy, did they?
What a pity their allegedly-knowledgeable child wasn't there to set them
straight...
They only have a Mac because I felt that the operating system would be
easier for them to learn. After all, it's more "intuitive." Meanwhile,
anything that was intuitive in their operating system has since been
removed from it and it's no easier than using a Windows machine. If
anything, Windows is the easier one of the two if people stick to
Universal Windows apps.
And WHEN are you claiming you recommended Macs for them?
What the Hell does that even mean? Lay off the crack, Anus.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
They DID however get used to the operating system after the first Mac
Mini and I'm not one to try to teach old dogs new tricks. Despite the
fact that Apple hardware is a joke and the company can't seem to
innovate anything anymore ever since that cocksucking social justice
clown took over, I helped them to buy a replacement machine.
Still, tell me why I should spend $3k on a machine which boasts an
Intel HD video card when I can get a better-looking games machine for
less than half of that.
Concrete examples, please...
To make you happy? No.
Alan Baker
2017-12-01 16:53:04 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
"Thieves"? They forced your parents to buy, did they?
What a pity their allegedly-knowledgeable child wasn't there to set them
straight...
They only have a Mac because I felt that the operating system would be
easier for them to learn. After all, it's more "intuitive." Meanwhile,
anything that was intuitive in their operating system has since been
removed from it and it's no easier than using a Windows machine. If
anything, Windows is the easier one of the two if people stick to
Universal Windows apps.
And WHEN are you claiming you recommended Macs for them?
What the Hell does that even mean? Lay off the crack, Anus.
It's a simple enough question.

You're making claims about what has "since been removed", so I want to
know what timeframe you're implying.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
They DID however get used to the operating system after the first Mac
Mini and I'm not one to try to teach old dogs new tricks. Despite the
fact that Apple hardware is a joke and the company can't seem to
innovate anything anymore ever since that cocksucking social justice
clown took over, I helped them to buy a replacement machine.
Still, tell me why I should spend $3k on a machine which boasts an
Intel HD video card when I can get a better-looking games machine for
less than half of that.
Concrete examples, please...
To make you happy? No.
I knew you'd punk out.
Tim Streater
2017-12-01 10:36:33 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
They DID however get used to the operating system after the first Mac
Mini and I'm not one to try to teach old dogs new tricks. Despite the
fact that Apple hardware is a joke and the company can't seem to
innovate anything anymore ever since that cocksucking social justice
clown took over, I helped them to buy a replacement machine.
Help my arse. You just guided them towards the low-end machine so you
could come on here and bleat about it, like the sheep you are.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Still, tell me why I should spend $3k on a machine which boasts an
Intel HD video card when I can get a better-looking games machine for
less than half of that.
Ah, you're a games dweeb are you? Never happy unless the twin fans on
your video card are doing 12000 rpm and the machine is close to taking
off and smashing through the window. Actually, that would be the best
thing that could happen to it, specially if you were still holding on,
eh?
--
"Please stop telling us what you feel. Please stop telling us what your
intuition is. Your intuitive feelings are of no interest whatsoever,
and nor are mine. I don't give a bugger what you feel, or what I feel.
I want to know what the evidence shows." -- Richard Dawkins
Nomen Nescio
2017-12-01 20:56:11 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
"Thieves"? They forced your parents to buy, did they?
You're right. Abusive forced child labor master is a better
descriptor.
Post by Alan Baker
What a pity their allegedly-knowledgeable child wasn't there to set them
straight...
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
LOL!
nospam
2017-11-30 23:25:57 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
8 gig memory is plenty for most people, certainly for parents who
aren't likely to be doing much more than web surfing and email.

you were also talking about hd versus ssd speeds, not memory.

since you're trying to move the goalposts, it's clear that you're lying.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
it's not apple's fault if best buy was out of stock of the other
configurations.

they could have gone to another store or ordered online with next day
delivery.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
you'd lose.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 02:31:25 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
8 gig memory is plenty for most people, certainly for parents who
aren't likely to be doing much more than web surfing and email.
you were also talking about hd versus ssd speeds, not memory.
since you're trying to move the goalposts, it's clear that you're lying.
Idiot. In a previous conversation with other zealots such as yourself,
I mentioned the fact that my parents' Mac Mini had a default
configuration with an HD. They all claimed that despite the standard
configuration, the operating system ran slow not because of the HD but
because of the RAM. *I* was the one who said that the HD was likely
the culprit, especially running at 5,400RPM. However, lying zealots
like yourself were the ones who suggested the RAM.

4GB later? The performance hasn't changed even slightly. My Core i3
laptop from 2010 with Windows 7 and 8GB ran better than their 2013 or
so Mac Min Core i5i with OS X and 8GB RAM. Your beloved company is
_that_ incompetent at creating a decent product. The _only_ thing
Apple is capable of doing is taking a load of shit, putting it in a
nice-enough package and sticking their stupid logo on it.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.
Not free of charge. The slightest change in configuration costs money
and not just for the parts. If you don't want to pay for warrantied
installation (because I could install it myself but lose the
warranty), you have to pay. Only with the Apple Store do you get
treated better.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
it's not apple's fault if best buy was out of stock of the other
configurations.
Yes, let's blame my parents for not paying more and expecting the
standard, default overpriced machine to run adequately. That's the
solution with Apple apparently, spend more money. If you spent $700 on
a new machine, you're crazy for expecting it to run properly. You
clearly should have paid $800, you twit.
Post by nospam
they could have gone to another store or ordered online with next day
delivery.
Yes, they ordered the wrong thing. Had they ordered the _other_ Apple,
it would run better than the one they chose. Of course, if they had
chosen THAT _Apple_, it would be their own fault for not choosing THIS
one. You people are such clowns that I truly don't think you even
consider how stupid what you're saying is.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
you'd lose.
Bring it on then.
nospam
2017-12-01 02:44:55 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
8 gig memory is plenty for most people, certainly for parents who
aren't likely to be doing much more than web surfing and email.
you were also talking about hd versus ssd speeds, not memory.
since you're trying to move the goalposts, it's clear that you're lying.
Idiot. In a previous conversation with other zealots such as yourself,
insults means you have nothing.
Post by Doomsdrzej
I mentioned the fact that my parents' Mac Mini had a default
configuration with an HD.
there are other configurations, including ssd and hybrid ssd/hd.

don't blame apple because your parents chose the hd configuration.
Post by Doomsdrzej
They all claimed that despite the standard
configuration, the operating system ran slow not because of the HD but
because of the RAM. *I* was the one who said that the HD was likely
the culprit, especially running at 5,400RPM. However, lying zealots
like yourself were the ones who suggested the RAM.
i never suggested any reason for the alleged slowness, which makes
*you* the liar.
Post by Doomsdrzej
4GB later? The performance hasn't changed even slightly. My Core i3
laptop from 2010 with Windows 7 and 8GB ran better than their 2013 or
so Mac Min Core i5i with OS X and 8GB RAM.
bullshit.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Your beloved company is
_that_ incompetent at creating a decent product. The _only_ thing
Apple is capable of doing is taking a load of shit, putting it in a
nice-enough package and sticking their stupid logo on it.
loads of shit don't sell in the quantities apple is selling, which
means your claim is bullshit.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.
Not free of charge.
of course not.

each configuration has a price, same as with any other company.
Post by Doomsdrzej
The slightest change in configuration costs money
and not just for the parts.
yep, the same with any company's product.

higher specs cost more.

a top of the line dell costs more than the entry level model.
Post by Doomsdrzej
If you don't want to pay for warrantied
installation (because I could install it myself but lose the
warranty), you have to pay.
installing memory does not void the apple warranty.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Only with the Apple Store do you get
treated better.
were you really expecting top notch service from best buy?

the salespeople at best buy are complete morons, who will say anything
to make a sale so they get their commission.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
it's not apple's fault if best buy was out of stock of the other
configurations.
Yes, let's blame my parents for not paying more and expecting the
standard, default overpriced machine to run adequately. That's the
solution with Apple apparently, spend more money. If you spent $700 on
a new machine, you're crazy for expecting it to run properly. You
clearly should have paid $800, you twit.
it runs perfectly fine.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
they could have gone to another store or ordered online with next day
delivery.
Yes, they ordered the wrong thing.
yep. they did.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Had they ordered the _other_ Apple,
it would run better than the one they chose. Of course, if they had
chosen THAT _Apple_, it would be their own fault for not choosing THIS
one. You people are such clowns that I truly don't think you even
consider how stupid what you're saying is.
a perfect description of you.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 16:52:24 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
8 gig memory is plenty for most people, certainly for parents who
aren't likely to be doing much more than web surfing and email.
you were also talking about hd versus ssd speeds, not memory.
since you're trying to move the goalposts, it's clear that you're lying.
Idiot. In a previous conversation with other zealots such as yourself,
insults means you have nothing.
Unlike you, I don't live with my parents anymore and won't travel
there (and be forced to eat tons of food) to find concrete examples
for a bunch of zealots.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I mentioned the fact that my parents' Mac Mini had a default
configuration with an HD.
there are other configurations, including ssd and hybrid ssd/hd.
don't blame apple because your parents chose the hd configuration.
Who the _fuck_ sells a machine _without_ an SSD in this day and age
other than Apple?
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
They all claimed that despite the standard
configuration, the operating system ran slow not because of the HD but
because of the RAM. *I* was the one who said that the HD was likely
the culprit, especially running at 5,400RPM. However, lying zealots
like yourself were the ones who suggested the RAM.
i never suggested any reason for the alleged slowness, which makes
*you* the liar.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
4GB later? The performance hasn't changed even slightly. My Core i3
laptop from 2010 with Windows 7 and 8GB ran better than their 2013 or
so Mac Min Core i5i with OS X and 8GB RAM.
bullshit.
Same as above.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Your beloved company is
_that_ incompetent at creating a decent product. The _only_ thing
Apple is capable of doing is taking a load of shit, putting it in a
nice-enough package and sticking their stupid logo on it.
loads of shit don't sell in the quantities apple is selling, which
means your claim is bullshit.
Anything resembling a negative comment about Apple must be a lie. I've
played this game with the Linux zealots as well.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.
Not free of charge.
of course not.
each configuration has a price, same as with any other company.
The question here is why the Hell is Apple charging top dollar for a
third-rate machine? In fact, that was the point other posters are
making.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The slightest change in configuration costs money
and not just for the parts.
yep, the same with any company's product.
higher specs cost more.
a top of the line dell costs more than the entry level model.
Except that a Dell with performance similar to what the Mac Mini
offers can be purchased for $350 new as long as you're not looking for
a silly logo.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
If you don't want to pay for warrantied
installation (because I could install it myself but lose the
warranty), you have to pay.
installing memory does not void the apple warranty.
We werre referring to the HD though as being the slow part; we had
already established that despite recommendations of other Mac zealots,
the RAM amount made no change to the performance of the operating
system.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Only with the Apple Store do you get
treated better.
were you really expecting top notch service from best buy?
the salespeople at best buy are complete morons, who will say anything
to make a sale so they get their commission.
They must be regulars on comp.sys.mac.advocacy then.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
it's not apple's fault if best buy was out of stock of the other
configurations.
Yes, let's blame my parents for not paying more and expecting the
standard, default overpriced machine to run adequately. That's the
solution with Apple apparently, spend more money. If you spent $700 on
a new machine, you're crazy for expecting it to run properly. You
clearly should have paid $800, you twit.
it runs perfectly fine.
Sure, if your patience is so exemplary that you're being compared to
Jesus and Gandhi.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
they could have gone to another store or ordered online with next day
delivery.
Yes, they ordered the wrong thing.
yep. they did.
Stupidity.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Had they ordered the _other_ Apple,
it would run better than the one they chose. Of course, if they had
chosen THAT _Apple_, it would be their own fault for not choosing THIS
one. You people are such clowns that I truly don't think you even
consider how stupid what you're saying is.
a perfect description of you.
Uh huh.
nospam
2017-12-01 19:15:55 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
8 gig memory is plenty for most people, certainly for parents who
aren't likely to be doing much more than web surfing and email.
you were also talking about hd versus ssd speeds, not memory.
since you're trying to move the goalposts, it's clear that you're lying.
Idiot. In a previous conversation with other zealots such as yourself,
insults means you have nothing.
Unlike you, I don't live with my parents anymore and won't travel
there (and be forced to eat tons of food) to find concrete examples
for a bunch of zealots.
more insults.

a phone call would suffice, without the need to eat food.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I mentioned the fact that my parents' Mac Mini had a default
configuration with an HD.
there are other configurations, including ssd and hybrid ssd/hd.
don't blame apple because your parents chose the hd configuration.
Who the _fuck_ sells a machine _without_ an SSD in this day and age
other than Apple?
plenty of companies do.

some people prefer hard drives because they need capacity more than
speed. others want speed.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The slightest change in configuration costs money
and not just for the parts.
yep, the same with any company's product.
higher specs cost more.
a top of the line dell costs more than the entry level model.
Except that a Dell with performance similar to what the Mac Mini
offers can be purchased for $350 new as long as you're not looking for
a silly logo.
bullshit.

several years ago, dell released a 5k display for $2500. no computer.
just a display.

a few months later, apple released an imac 5k, using the same panel
that dell used (at the time) *with* a computer, for the same $2500
price.

dell was *forced* to slash their price of just their display.

<https://www.pcworld.com/article/2844712/dell-drops-5k-monitor-price-aft
er-apple-launches-new-imac.html>
The monitor, when announced, was originally priced $2,499.99. Dell
did not immediately provide reasons for the change on the price.
However, Jennifer Colegrove, founder and president of Touch Display
Research, said Apple¹s 27-inch iMac, which sports a 5K display, may
have been a catalyst.
For $2,499.99, Apple is throwing an entire computing platform into
its 27-inch iMac with Retina 5K Display. Dell¹s UltraSharp 27 is only
a monitor and the company may have had to drop its price to attract
buyers, Colegrove said.

today, apple has greatly improved the quality of the display in retina
imacs (and other macs), with a wide gamut dci-p3 display. it's *still*
not possible to match the retina imac specs for less money.
Anonymous
2017-12-01 23:41:10 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
8 gig memory is plenty for most people, certainly for parents who
aren't likely to be doing much more than web surfing and email.
you were also talking about hd versus ssd speeds, not memory.
since you're trying to move the goalposts, it's clear that you're lying.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.
Best Buy collaborates with the FBI to forensically examine hard
drives of every customer who brings their computer in for repair.

The FBI pays a bounty of $500.00 for every "discovery".

You're willing to risk your freedom with Best Buy / Geek Squad?
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
it's not apple's fault if best buy was out of stock of the other
configurations.
they could have gone to another store or ordered online with next day
delivery.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
you'd lose.
nospam
2017-12-01 23:49:24 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.
Best Buy collaborates with the FBI to forensically examine hard
drives of every customer who brings their computer in for repair.
The FBI pays a bounty of $500.00 for every "discovery".
You're willing to risk your freedom with Best Buy / Geek Squad?
then don't bring your computer to best buy to be repaired, not that
they're any good at repairing anything anyway.

that has absolutely nothing to do with *buying* a computer (mac or pc)
or anything else from them.
Anonymous
2017-12-02 10:36:17 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Anonymous
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.
Best Buy collaborates with the FBI to forensically examine hard
drives of every customer who brings their computer in for repair.
The FBI pays a bounty of $500.00 for every "discovery".
You're willing to risk your freedom with Best Buy / Geek Squad?
then don't bring your computer to best buy to be repaired, not that
they're any good at repairing anything anyway.
that has absolutely nothing to do with *buying* a computer (mac or pc)
or anything else from them.
you'd buy an open box from them?
nospam
2017-12-02 11:46:21 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by nospam
Post by Anonymous
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.
Best Buy collaborates with the FBI to forensically examine hard
drives of every customer who brings their computer in for repair.
The FBI pays a bounty of $500.00 for every "discovery".
You're willing to risk your freedom with Best Buy / Geek Squad?
then don't bring your computer to best buy to be repaired, not that
they're any good at repairing anything anyway.
that has absolutely nothing to do with *buying* a computer (mac or pc)
or anything else from them.
you'd buy an open box from them?
absolutely, assuming it was a good price (which it usually isn't). best
buy rarely has the best prices.

you're moving the goalposts even *further*.
Anonymous
2017-12-02 07:08:57 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
8 gig memory is plenty for most people, certainly for parents who
aren't likely to be doing much more than web surfing and email.
you were also talking about hd versus ssd speeds, not memory.
since you're trying to move the goalposts, it's clear that you're lying.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.
Best Buy collaborates with the FBI to forensically examine hard
drives of every customer who brings their computer in for repair.

The FBI pays a bounty of $500.00 for every "discovery".

You're willing to risk your freedom with Best Buy / Geek Squad?
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
it's not apple's fault if best buy was out of stock of the other
configurations.
they could have gone to another store or ordered online with next day
delivery.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
you'd lose.
Alan Baker
2017-12-02 07:33:26 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
8 gig memory is plenty for most people, certainly for parents who
aren't likely to be doing much more than web surfing and email.
you were also talking about hd versus ssd speeds, not memory.
since you're trying to move the goalposts, it's clear that you're lying.
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.
Best Buy collaborates with the FBI to forensically examine hard
drives of every customer who brings their computer in for repair.
The FBI pays a bounty of $500.00 for every "discovery".
You're willing to risk your freedom with Best Buy / Geek Squad?
Sorry, but I call "bullshit".

Got any proof?
Anonymous
2017-12-01 20:00:11 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
Post by nospam
imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
Oh but Mac graphics and Intel processors are so much more
superior than Windows GPUs and Intel processors. Lol, can't
believe they still use that line.
nospam
2017-12-01 20:03:22 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Doomsdrzej
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
Oh but Mac graphics and Intel processors are so much more
superior than Windows GPUs and Intel processors. Lol, can't
believe they still use that line.
they don't, but the software certainly is *much* better.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 23:07:27 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Anonymous
Post by Doomsdrzej
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
Oh but Mac graphics and Intel processors are so much more
superior than Windows GPUs and Intel processors. Lol, can't
believe they still use that line.
they don't, but the software certainly is *much* better.
Oh yeah, an operating system that allows you to log in as root simply
by writing root into the username field and pressing enter is truly
stellar software.
nospam
2017-12-01 23:08:49 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Anonymous
Post by Doomsdrzej
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
Oh but Mac graphics and Intel processors are so much more
superior than Windows GPUs and Intel processors. Lol, can't
believe they still use that line.
they don't, but the software certainly is *much* better.
Oh yeah, an operating system that allows you to log in as root simply
by writing root into the username field and pressing enter is truly
stellar software.
a bug, which only affects 10.13.1 and was fixed in under 18 hours, and
also has nothing to do with graphics.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 23:26:27 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Anonymous
Post by Doomsdrzej
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
Oh but Mac graphics and Intel processors are so much more
superior than Windows GPUs and Intel processors. Lol, can't
believe they still use that line.
they don't, but the software certainly is *much* better.
Oh yeah, an operating system that allows you to log in as root simply
by writing root into the username field and pressing enter is truly
stellar software.
a bug, which only affects 10.13.1 and was fixed in under 18 hours, and
also has nothing to do with graphics.
Why would such _stellar_ software need fixing? Why would such
_stellar_ software have such a bug in the first place?
nospam
2017-12-01 23:49:23 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Oh yeah, an operating system that allows you to log in as root simply
by writing root into the username field and pressing enter is truly
stellar software.
a bug, which only affects 10.13.1 and was fixed in under 18 hours, and
also has nothing to do with graphics.
Why would such _stellar_ software need fixing? Why would such
_stellar_ software have such a bug in the first place?
all software has bugs. nothing is perfect.

remember heartbleed? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbleed>

or more recently, krack? a lot of devices will never be patched.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-02 01:31:35 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Oh yeah, an operating system that allows you to log in as root simply
by writing root into the username field and pressing enter is truly
stellar software.
a bug, which only affects 10.13.1 and was fixed in under 18 hours, and
also has nothing to do with graphics.
Why would such _stellar_ software need fixing? Why would such
_stellar_ software have such a bug in the first place?
all software has bugs. nothing is perfect.
remember heartbleed? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbleed>
or more recently, krack? a lot of devices will never be patched.
Luckily, Apple's social justice programmers would never produce
anything that runs slowly, requires too much memory or has pathetic
security issues...

... oh wait, that's pretty much the only thing they produce.
Nomen Nescio
2017-12-02 07:26:02 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Anonymous
Post by Doomsdrzej
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
Oh but Mac graphics and Intel processors are so much more
superior than Windows GPUs and Intel processors. Lol, can't
believe they still use that line.
they don't, but the software certainly is *much* better.
Oh yeah, an operating system that allows you to log in as root simply
by writing root into the username field and pressing enter is truly
stellar software.
a bug, which only affects 10.13.1 and was fixed in under 18 hours, and
also has nothing to do with graphics.
the sort of bug that should never have been present in such
"stellar" products.
Fritz Wuehler
2017-12-02 14:47:41 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Anonymous
Post by Doomsdrzej
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
Oh but Mac graphics and Intel processors are so much more
superior than Windows GPUs and Intel processors. Lol, can't
believe they still use that line.
they don't, but the software certainly is *much* better.
lol! riiiight. let us know when safari fixes those identity
leaks.
Tim Streater
2017-12-01 22:10:04 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you twat.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.
Post by nospam
imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.
Oh but Mac graphics and Intel processors are so much more
superior than Windows GPUs and Intel processors. Lol, can't
believe they still use that line.
Well dash my wig, Mr Anonymous has found his keyboard. Could you loan
it to all your nyms we see here, as well?
--
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an
endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

HL Mencken
Cornelis Tromp
2017-12-01 00:56:36 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
Yep and most people in line at the Apple store are having
problems with those drives and TRIM not working or some other
stupid thing that should work, but doesn't.

Then there is the magical backup where data goes into the iCloud
and simply disappears, never to be found again.
nospam
2017-12-01 01:05:37 UTC
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Post by Cornelis Tromp
Post by nospam
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
Yep and most people in line at the Apple store are having
problems with those drives and TRIM not working or some other
stupid thing that should work, but doesn't.
nonsense. trim works perfectly fine.
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Then there is the magical backup where data goes into the iCloud
and simply disappears, never to be found again.
more nonsense.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 02:36:03 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Post by nospam
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
Yep and most people in line at the Apple store are having
problems with those drives and TRIM not working or some other
stupid thing that should work, but doesn't.
nonsense. trim works perfectly fine.
Doubtful if the people implementing the feature are social justice
clowns like what Apple seems to exclusively employ.
Post by nospam
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Then there is the magical backup where data goes into the iCloud
and simply disappears, never to be found again.
more nonsense.
Doubtful.
Nathan Hale
2017-12-01 23:23:00 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Post by nospam
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
Yep and most people in line at the Apple store are having
problems with those drives and TRIM not working or some other
stupid thing that should work, but doesn't.
nonsense. trim works perfectly fine.
if it works so well, why are they in the store complaining about
it?
upgrade the ssd, it's not automatic. has to be enabled.
Post by nospam
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Then there is the magical backup where data goes into the iCloud
and simply disappears, never to be found again.
more nonsense.
not nonsense. happens every day with iphones, macs, anything
apple.
apple encourages stupid behavior. dropping phones, putting them
in water, bending them on purpose, commercials of people driving
while using them. thank goodness for darwin.
nospam
2017-12-01 23:49:22 UTC
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Post by Nathan Hale
Post by nospam
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Post by nospam
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
Yep and most people in line at the Apple store are having
problems with those drives and TRIM not working or some other
stupid thing that should work, but doesn't.
nonsense. trim works perfectly fine.
if it works so well, why are they in the store complaining about
it?
nobody was in the store complaining about trim, but out of hundreds of
millions of macs, there will always be a small number of problems, no
matter what the product.
Post by Nathan Hale
upgrade the ssd, it's not automatic. has to be enabled.
trim is not support for third party ssds because some of them have very
buggy trim implementations, which in some cases, can cause data loss,
but for those who want trim, it's easy to enable.
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by nospam
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Then there is the magical backup where data goes into the iCloud
and simply disappears, never to be found again.
more nonsense.
not nonsense. happens every day with iphones, macs, anything
apple.
that happens with *every* product, including android, windows and much
more.

nothing is perfect.
Post by Nathan Hale
apple encourages stupid behavior. dropping phones, putting them
in water, bending them on purpose, commercials of people driving
while using them. thank goodness for darwin.
nonsense.
Alan Baker
2017-12-02 03:03:30 UTC
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Post by Nathan Hale
Post by nospam
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Post by nospam
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
Yep and most people in line at the Apple store are having
problems with those drives and TRIM not working or some other
stupid thing that should work, but doesn't.
nonsense. trim works perfectly fine.
if it works so well, why are they in the store complaining about
it?
upgrade the ssd, it's not automatic. has to be enabled.
Post by nospam
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Then there is the magical backup where data goes into the iCloud
and simply disappears, never to be found again.
more nonsense.
not nonsense. happens every day with iphones, macs, anything
apple.
apple encourages stupid behavior. dropping phones, putting them
in water, bending them on purpose, commercials of people driving
while using them. thank goodness for darwin.
What complete and utter bullshit.
Anonymous
2017-12-02 08:50:05 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by nospam
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Post by nospam
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
Yep and most people in line at the Apple store are having
problems with those drives and TRIM not working or some other
stupid thing that should work, but doesn't.
nonsense. trim works perfectly fine.
if it works so well, why are they in the store complaining about
it?
upgrade the ssd, it's not automatic. has to be enabled.
Post by nospam
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Then there is the magical backup where data goes into the iCloud
and simply disappears, never to be found again.
more nonsense.
not nonsense. happens every day with iphones, macs, anything
apple.
apple encourages stupid behavior. dropping phones, putting them
in water, bending them on purpose, commercials of people driving
while using them. thank goodness for darwin.
What complete and utter bullshit.

Alan Baker
2017-12-02 15:36:13 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by nospam
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Post by nospam
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
Yep and most people in line at the Apple store are having
problems with those drives and TRIM not working or some other
stupid thing that should work, but doesn't.
nonsense. trim works perfectly fine.
if it works so well, why are they in the store complaining about
it?
upgrade the ssd, it's not automatic. has to be enabled.
Post by nospam
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Then there is the magical backup where data goes into the iCloud
and simply disappears, never to be found again.
more nonsense.
not nonsense. happens every day with iphones, macs, anything
apple.
apple encourages stupid behavior. dropping phones, putting them
in water, bending them on purpose, commercials of people driving
while using them. thank goodness for darwin.
What complete and utter bullshit.
http://youtu.be/lYEeb4U6ZYs
What do you think that proves?

Apple made the phone "water resistant", and auto manufacturers put
airbags in cars to make you safer.

Does that mean you should deliberately crash your car? Does that mean
they are "encouraging" you to crash your car?
nospam
2017-12-02 16:47:16 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Nathan Hale
not nonsense. happens every day with iphones, macs, anything
apple.
apple encourages stupid behavior. dropping phones, putting them
in water, bending them on purpose, commercials of people driving
while using them. thank goodness for darwin.
What complete and utter bullshit.
http://youtu.be/lYEeb4U6ZYs
What do you think that proves?
Apple made the phone "water resistant", and auto manufacturers put
airbags in cars to make you safer.
many other phones are water resistant. it ain't just apple.
Post by Alan Baker
Does that mean you should deliberately crash your car? Does that mean
they are "encouraging" you to crash your car?
if only the trolls would do so.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 02:35:25 UTC
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 00:56:36 +0000 (GMT), Cornelis Tromp
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
Yep and most people in line at the Apple store are having
problems with those drives and TRIM not working or some other
stupid thing that should work, but doesn't.
Then there is the magical backup where data goes into the iCloud
and simply disappears, never to be found again.
Wow, they can't even get their cloud right. Meanwhile, OneDrive is
spectacular and gives you tons of storage for $3 a month and way more
than you need + the latest version of Office for a _very_ reasonable
price.

But it won't have the Apple logo on it so it's clearly worthless!
Alan Baker
2017-12-01 02:44:33 UTC
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Post by Cornelis Tromp
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
either it's misconfigured or you're lying.
Post by Doomsdrzej
I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.
it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.
imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.
macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.
Yep and most people in line at the Apple store are having
problems with those drives and TRIM not working or some other
stupid thing that should work, but doesn't.
Bullshit.
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Then there is the magical backup where data goes into the iCloud
and simply disappears, never to be found again.
And more bullshit!
Anonymous
2017-12-01 00:11:17 UTC
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Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
Lol! I chuckle every time I walk past the lines of people in
the Apple store at the mall.

I find a curious parallel of people who buy Apple products to
those who lease Mercedes and BMW money pits.

Have you considered WHY a Mercedes or BMW dealership would need
a coffee bar, dining area, courtesy cars and ass-kissers on
demand? Those are the next steps for both Apple and M$ stores
BTW.
Post by RJH
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
Play with Macs, earn money on PCs is how it works. My PC is
responsible for a little over a $100K annually. Thanks to
Democrat tax-a-holics and that horrid POS Obamacare, I get to
net maybe 52% after all is said and done.

FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?
Alan Baker
2017-12-01 00:14:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anonymous
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
Lol! I chuckle every time I walk past the lines of people in
the Apple store at the mall.
I find a curious parallel of people who buy Apple products to
those who lease Mercedes and BMW money pits.
Have you considered WHY a Mercedes or BMW dealership would need
a coffee bar, dining area, courtesy cars and ass-kissers on
demand? Those are the next steps for both Apple and M$ stores
BTW.
Have you ever considered that people really like those cars?
Post by Anonymous
Post by RJH
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
Play with Macs, earn money on PCs is how it works. My PC is
responsible for a little over a $100K annually. Thanks to
Democrat tax-a-holics and that horrid POS Obamacare, I get to
net maybe 52% after all is said and done.
Ummmm... ...no.
Post by Anonymous
FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?
Riiiiiight. Let's see this $100 PC you could buy.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 02:40:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Anonymous
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
Lol! I chuckle every time I walk past the lines of people in
the Apple store at the mall.
I find a curious parallel of people who buy Apple products to
those who lease Mercedes and BMW money pits.
Have you considered WHY a Mercedes or BMW dealership would need
a coffee bar, dining area, courtesy cars and ass-kissers on
demand? Those are the next steps for both Apple and M$ stores
BTW.
Have you ever considered that people really like those cars?
Post by Anonymous
Post by RJH
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
Play with Macs, earn money on PCs is how it works. My PC is
responsible for a little over a $100K annually. Thanks to
Democrat tax-a-holics and that horrid POS Obamacare, I get to
net maybe 52% after all is said and done.
Ummmm... ...no.
Post by Anonymous
FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?
Riiiiiight. Let's see this $100 PC you could buy.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Custom-Built-Intel-Core-i5-2500k-3-3GHz-256GB-SSD-Black-Desktop-Computer/232576567954?hash=item3626a4ca92:g:NJIAAOSwZqZaEI5T

F Off, liberal.
nospam
2017-12-01 02:44:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Anonymous
FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?
Riiiiiight. Let's see this $100 PC you could buy.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Custom-Built-Intel-Core-i5-2500k-3-3GHz-256GB-SSD-Black-Desktop-Computer/232576567954?hash=item3626a4ca92:g:NJIAAOSwZqZaEI5T
that is not a final price.

that listing has a week to go and ti will sell for much more than $100.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 16:55:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Anonymous
FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?
Riiiiiight. Let's see this $100 PC you could buy.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Custom-Built-Intel-Core-i5-2500k-3-3GHz-256GB-SSD-Black-Desktop-Computer/232576567954?hash=item3626a4ca92:g:NJIAAOSwZqZaEI5T
that is not a final price.
that listing has a week to go and ti will sell for much more than $100.
Yes, because the market for used computers that don't particularly
look any good is very hot.

Just look for "used desktop PC" on eBay and you will find similar
machines for exactly the price he said and they would have a "Buy It
Now" option.

Finally, stop lying, Mac zealot.
nospam
2017-12-01 19:15:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Anonymous
FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?
Riiiiiight. Let's see this $100 PC you could buy.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Custom-Built-Intel-Core-i5-2500k-3-3GHz-256GB-SSD-B
lack-Desktop-Computer/232576567954?hash=item3626a4ca92:g:NJIAAOSwZqZaEI5T
that is not a final price.
that listing has a week to go and ti will sell for much more than $100.
Yes, because the market for used computers that don't particularly
look any good is very hot.
making excuses so quickly?
Post by Doomsdrzej
Just look for "used desktop PC" on eBay and you will find similar
machines for exactly the price he said and they would have a "Buy It
Now" option.
not with the same specs.

further, comparing the prices of a used computer off ebay with no
warranty whatsoever with a new mac that has a full warranty and support
is as disingenuous as it gets.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 23:11:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Anonymous
FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?
Riiiiiight. Let's see this $100 PC you could buy.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Custom-Built-Intel-Core-i5-2500k-3-3GHz-256GB-SSD-B
lack-Desktop-Computer/232576567954?hash=item3626a4ca92:g:NJIAAOSwZqZaEI5T
that is not a final price.
that listing has a week to go and ti will sell for much more than $100.
Yes, because the market for used computers that don't particularly
look any good is very hot.
making excuses so quickly?
Post by Doomsdrzej
Just look for "used desktop PC" on eBay and you will find similar
machines for exactly the price he said and they would have a "Buy It
Now" option.
not with the same specs.
So what's this?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HP-6300-Compaq-Pro-MT-Desktop-PC-Computer-3-20GHz-Core-i5-4GB-DDR3/132418968884?hash=item1ed4c91d34:g:34wAAOSwGNtZxQrJ
Post by nospam
further, comparing the prices of a used computer off ebay with no
warranty whatsoever with a new mac that has a full warranty and support
is as disingenuous as it gets.
Idiot. The guy said that he could _replace_ his PC with one on eBay
for $100. He mentioned nothing about needing it to be new or to have a
warranty.
nospam
2017-12-01 23:20:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
further, comparing the prices of a used computer off ebay with no
warranty whatsoever with a new mac that has a full warranty and support
is as disingenuous as it gets.
Idiot. The guy said that he could _replace_ his PC with one on eBay
for $100. He mentioned nothing about needing it to be new or to have a
warranty.
you're comparing two wildly different things.

a used computer with no warranty from ebay will be cheaper than a new
computer with a warranty from an established manufacturer.

there also are used macs for cheap on ebay. big deal.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 23:28:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
further, comparing the prices of a used computer off ebay with no
warranty whatsoever with a new mac that has a full warranty and support
is as disingenuous as it gets.
Idiot. The guy said that he could _replace_ his PC with one on eBay
for $100. He mentioned nothing about needing it to be new or to have a
warranty.
you're comparing two wildly different things.
a used computer with no warranty from ebay will be cheaper than a new
computer with a warranty from an established manufacturer.
there also are used macs for cheap on ebay. big deal.
Good then find us a used Mac with similar specs for $100 that isn't
broken in some way. I implore you.
nospam
2017-12-01 23:49:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
further, comparing the prices of a used computer off ebay with no
warranty whatsoever with a new mac that has a full warranty and support
is as disingenuous as it gets.
Idiot. The guy said that he could _replace_ his PC with one on eBay
for $100. He mentioned nothing about needing it to be new or to have a
warranty.
you're comparing two wildly different things.
a used computer with no warranty from ebay will be cheaper than a new
computer with a warranty from an established manufacturer.
there also are used macs for cheap on ebay. big deal.
Good then find us a used Mac with similar specs for $100 that isn't
broken in some way. I implore you.
i've bought five of them in the past year alone, all of which were less
than $50 each and work quite well. the owners "didn't know anything
about macs" or just didn't care.

the dvd drive in one of them doesn't work, but who cares. i can't even
remember the last time i used a dvd drive.
Anonymous
2017-12-02 07:59:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
further, comparing the prices of a used computer off ebay with no
warranty whatsoever with a new mac that has a full warranty and support
is as disingenuous as it gets.
Idiot. The guy said that he could _replace_ his PC with one on eBay
for $100. He mentioned nothing about needing it to be new or to have a
warranty.
you're comparing two wildly different things.
You made the comparison after I told you what I was using. I've
had the same box for almost 4 years. I'll rotate it out for
something new new year just because I can, not because I have to.
Post by nospam
a used computer with no warranty from ebay will be cheaper than a new
computer with a warranty from an established manufacturer.
$100 bought the warranty pc, which four years later hasn't been
needed. I call that a good investment.
Post by nospam
there also are used macs for cheap on ebay. big deal.
Used macs are on eBay for a reason.
nospam
2017-12-02 10:13:23 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by nospam
there also are used macs for cheap on ebay. big deal.
Used macs are on eBay for a reason.
same reasons used pcs are on ebay.
Anonymous Remailer (austria)
2017-12-02 08:36:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by nospam
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Anonymous
FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?
Riiiiiight. Let's see this $100 PC you could buy.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Custom-Built-Intel-Core-i5-2500k-3-3GHz-256GB-SSD-B
lack-Desktop-Computer/232576567954?hash=item3626a4ca92:g:NJIAAOSwZqZaEI5T
that is not a final price.
that listing has a week to go and ti will sell for much more than $100.
Yes, because the market for used computers that don't particularly
look any good is very hot.
making excuses so quickly?
Post by Doomsdrzej
Just look for "used desktop PC" on eBay and you will find similar
machines for exactly the price he said and they would have a "Buy It
Now" option.
not with the same specs.
So what's this?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HP-6300-Compaq-Pro-MT-Desktop-PC-Computer-3-20GHz-Core-i5-4GB-DDR3/132418968884?hash=item1ed4c91d34:g:34wAAOSwGNtZxQrJ
Post by nospam
further, comparing the prices of a used computer off ebay with no
warranty whatsoever with a new mac that has a full warranty and support
is as disingenuous as it gets.
Idiot. The guy said that he could _replace_ his PC with one on eBay
for $100. He mentioned nothing about needing it to be new or to have a
warranty.
i use ebay desktops. get some good stuff from the corporate
leases. a lot of it hardly ever used.
Alan Baker
2017-12-01 03:04:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doomsdrzej
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Anonymous
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
Lol! I chuckle every time I walk past the lines of people in
the Apple store at the mall.
I find a curious parallel of people who buy Apple products to
those who lease Mercedes and BMW money pits.
Have you considered WHY a Mercedes or BMW dealership would need
a coffee bar, dining area, courtesy cars and ass-kissers on
demand? Those are the next steps for both Apple and M$ stores
BTW.
Have you ever considered that people really like those cars?
Post by Anonymous
Post by RJH
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
Play with Macs, earn money on PCs is how it works. My PC is
responsible for a little over a $100K annually. Thanks to
Democrat tax-a-holics and that horrid POS Obamacare, I get to
net maybe 52% after all is said and done.
Ummmm... ...no.
Post by Anonymous
FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?
Riiiiiight. Let's see this $100 PC you could buy.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Custom-Built-Intel-Core-i5-2500k-3-3GHz-256GB-SSD-Black-Desktop-Computer/232576567954?hash=item3626a4ca92:g:NJIAAOSwZqZaEI5T
F Off, liberal.
"Custom built"?

You mean built by god-knows-who?

LOL!
Anonymous
2017-12-01 22:20:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Anonymous
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
Lol! I chuckle every time I walk past the lines of people in
the Apple store at the mall.
I find a curious parallel of people who buy Apple products to
those who lease Mercedes and BMW money pits.
Have you considered WHY a Mercedes or BMW dealership would need
a coffee bar, dining area, courtesy cars and ass-kissers on
demand? Those are the next steps for both Apple and M$ stores
BTW.
Have you ever considered that people really like those cars?
Other than draw tickets, sneers, spit and key scratches in
parking lots for excessive vanity, what do those cars do that
any Hyundai won't do as well?

Do they come with a courtesy blow job each time you drive one?
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Anonymous
Post by RJH
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
Play with Macs, earn money on PCs is how it works. My PC is
responsible for a little over a $100K annually. Thanks to
Democrat tax-a-holics and that horrid POS Obamacare, I get to
net maybe 52% after all is said and done.
Ummmm... ...no.
Ummm, yes. I don't file 1040-EZ, I get 1099ed.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Anonymous
FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?
Riiiiiight. Let's see this $100 PC you could buy.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkCentre-M58p-C2Q-Q9400-2-
6GHz-8GB-NO-HDD-Win-7-Key-Free-S-
H/401446261797?hash=item5d780fd425:g:XxYAAOSw0wRaFF8x

I buy them without hard drives, add an SSD and plug an Emulex FC
HBA. I have an HP MSA 2000 NAS for storage.

FYI, these models have an integrated RAID controller RAID
0,1,5,10, but no cache. Mirror perf is excellent, RAID 5 just
ok. FC kicks butt.

Grabbed one of these to play with too.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkCentre-M70E-Desktop-Pentium-
E5800-3-2GHz-4GB-500GB-w-WiFi-Win-
10/142554019074?hash=item2130e1b502:g:9H0AAOSw2nNZ8586
nospam
2017-12-01 22:51:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Anonymous
Have you considered WHY a Mercedes or BMW dealership would need
a coffee bar, dining area, courtesy cars and ass-kissers on
demand? Those are the next steps for both Apple and M$ stores
BTW.
Have you ever considered that people really like those cars?
Other than draw tickets, sneers, spit and key scratches in
parking lots for excessive vanity, what do those cars do that
any Hyundai won't do as well?
Do they come with a courtesy blow job each time you drive one?
sure do.
sammy
2017-12-01 22:54:59 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 17:20:41 -0500 (EST), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Anonymous
I find a curious parallel of people who buy Apple products to
those who lease Mercedes and BMW money pits.
Have you considered WHY a Mercedes or BMW dealership would need
a coffee bar, dining area, courtesy cars and ass-kissers on
demand? Those are the next steps for both Apple and M$ stores
BTW.
Have you ever considered that people really like those cars?
Other than draw tickets, sneers, spit and key scratches in
parking lots for excessive vanity, what do those cars do that
any Hyundai won't do as well?
Do they come with a courtesy blow job each time you drive one?
Not each time, no. That's OK with me, though. Sometimes I'm short on
time.
nospam
2017-12-01 00:18:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anonymous
Post by RJH
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
Play with Macs, earn money on PCs is how it works. My PC is
responsible for a little over a $100K annually.
$100k? that's it?
Post by Anonymous
Thanks to
Democrat tax-a-holics and that horrid POS Obamacare, I get to
net maybe 52% after all is said and done.
FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?
depends on the mac, and comparing used prices off ebay is disingenuous
as can be.
Cornelis Tromp
2017-12-01 21:39:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by nospam
Post by Anonymous
Post by RJH
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
Play with Macs, earn money on PCs is how it works. My PC is
responsible for a little over a $100K annually.
$100k? that's it?
Good enough for my needs. Pays the bills and covers my health
insurance with approx 30 hours a week at my convenience.

What's your Mac generating?
Post by nospam
Post by Anonymous
Thanks to
Democrat tax-a-holics and that horrid POS Obamacare, I get to
net maybe 52% after all is said and done.
FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?
depends on the mac, and comparing used prices off ebay is disingenuous
as can be.
Not at all. It's reality. The world runs off Amazon and eBay.
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 23:12:54 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 21:39:23 +0000 (GMT), Cornelis Tromp
Post by Cornelis Tromp
Post by nospam
Post by Anonymous
Post by RJH
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
Play with Macs, earn money on PCs is how it works. My PC is
responsible for a little over a $100K annually.
$100k? that's it?
Good enough for my needs. Pays the bills and covers my health
insurance with approx 30 hours a week at my convenience.
What's your Mac generating?
Electrical bills.

< snip >
Doomsdrzej
2017-12-01 02:39:36 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:11:17 -0500 (EST), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
Post by RJH
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
Lol! I chuckle every time I walk past the lines of people in
the Apple store at the mall.
I find a curious parallel of people who buy Apple products to
those who lease Mercedes and BMW money pits.
Have you considered WHY a Mercedes or BMW dealership would need
a coffee bar, dining area, courtesy cars and ass-kissers on
demand? Those are the next steps for both Apple and M$ stores
BTW.
Post by RJH
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
Play with Macs, earn money on PCs is how it works. My PC is
responsible for a little over a $100K annually. Thanks to
Democrat tax-a-holics and that horrid POS Obamacare, I get to
net maybe 52% after all is said and done.
FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?
Beautiful post! +1
Wolf K
2017-12-01 02:46:58 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots.  That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
You're too kind :-)
I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.
While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.
Bottom line:
First criterion: it's the software, not the hardware.
Second criterion: Usability and customisation, aka "the experience".

That's why I gave up in the Mac. I didn't need the Mac-only software,
and I found it impossible to customise to suit me. All the software I
needed was and is available on Windows (and on Linux too), the software
I wanted is available on Windows (and some of it on Linux too), so the
deciding criterion was the "experience". For whatever reasons, I just
don't like the Mac experience.

Shrug.

So who cares, really?

YMMV
--
Wolf K
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"Wanted. Schrödinger’s Cat. Dead and Alive."
Tim Streater
2017-12-01 10:43:02 UTC
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Post by Wolf K
First criterion: it's the software, not the hardware.
Second criterion: Usability and customisation, aka "the experience".
Ah, a man who knows how to spell "criterion". Well now, that's a
pleasant surprise, and given the quantity of drooling teenagers like Mr
Doomsday and Anonymous who infest these ng's, probably a rare one.
Post by Wolf K
That's why I gave up in the Mac. I didn't need the Mac-only software,
and I found it impossible to customise to suit me. All the software I
needed was and is available on Windows (and on Linux too), the software
I wanted is available on Windows (and some of it on Linux too), so the
deciding criterion was the "experience". For whatever reasons, I just
don't like the Mac experience.
Shrug.
So who cares, really?
YMMV
Well quite. I use a Mac because it comes with the software I needed,
such as apache and PHP, and because it is *not* running Windows with
all its limitations.

It makes sense to use another platform if most or all of the stuff you
need is on it. The only Windows-only app I needed was Publisher, so I
have a VM running Win7 for that, which I may also use for other
software testing at some point.
--
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English
is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion,
English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious
and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -- James Nicoll, rasfw
Paul Harvey
2017-11-30 18:41:41 UTC
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Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
I take it you haven't found a cure for your unbridled cocksucking?
Anonymous
2017-11-30 22:46:05 UTC
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Post by Paul Harvey
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
Post by Nathan Hale
Post by Doomsdrzej
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
Post by Anonymous
https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-to-set-root-password/
Lol!
The Mac is a fucking joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.
Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.
Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.
I take it you haven't found a cure for your unbridled cocksucking?
That's the other Mac user problem. Many of them are homos. All
they can think about is sucking on penises.
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